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game is rigged change the game game

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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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good evening Fade to Black how you doing

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today's Tuesday Tuesday June 13 2023 I

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am your host Jimmy Church Great show

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tonight John Brandenburg is with us

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we're going to be talking about a lot of

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things tonight UAP UFOs life and death

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on Mars propulsion systems he's a

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theoretical plasma physicist who was

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born in Rochester Minnesota and he

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obtained his ba in physics with a

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mathematics minor from Southern Oregon

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University in 1975 and obtained his Ms

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in 1977 in a PhD in plasma physics both

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from the University of California Davis

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in 1981. he's doing all that stuff for

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space and we're going to be talking

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about a lot of that and propulsion

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systems too and of course missions uh to

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the Moon Mars Saturn

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um how how E.T may be getting here we're

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going to jump into all of that and much

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more tonight with John Brandenburg and

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I'm going to go straight to it and say

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welcome John Fade to Black how you doing

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my man oh um

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very great pleasure and honor to be on

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your show

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it's uh it's great to finally have you

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on the show I've been following you and

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your work for a number of years

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um I've I've found all of it uh very

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compelling very comprehensive and very

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smart but before we get to that you get

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the First Time guest disclaimer so let's

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get that out of the way John it's just

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you and I sitting on my couch having a

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conversation as friends and where that

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conversation starts it starts where it

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ends it ends but we're gonna end his

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friends there you go except absolutely

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okay that's what I'm talking about the

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um the conversation tonight now

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um um I want to start with a very very

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brief statement uh which is this I've

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seen things I've experienced things

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um I have been broadcasting for a number

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of years and my life's journey

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into not only uh UFOs and time travel

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and life after death and Consciousness

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and the spiritual the Paranormal the the

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supernatural all of those things

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have led me over to the science side and

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now I I investigate the Zion side and I

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see what's going on there and the two

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are in in my estimation about to collide

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and about to hit head-on which is why I

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I that's why I really appreciate having

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on a guests like yourself

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um I I need the science to to prove to

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my woo-woo head right

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that that I'm okay and uh and tonight

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we're gonna we're gonna jump into a lot

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of these things you've been there you've

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done that you've got a lot of experience

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um so we'll we'll get to all of that

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tonight but I obviously have to start

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um last Monday uh David grush uh I I

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a whistleblower yes came out went public

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and says uh well he said a lot of things

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but we can deduce two basic things two

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two basic things we've got flying

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saucers we've got alien bodies all right

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and then there's every everything else

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around David that we can talk about too

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um but he is uh uh like a solid guy yeah

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that that's exactly my point we know his

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background we know uh not only his

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military but his intelligence background

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officials of his stature uh to come

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forward and say these things so when the

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news broke this is what you do right and

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so when this news broke last Monday what

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went through your mind

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well I work in Washington DC for 15

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as a defense contractor

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and um I Heard many of the things he is

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I began my search into this on the

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planet Mars where I could do good

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you hear is reports you there are no

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facts they're just reports but I heard

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many of the same things he is now saying

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when I worked in Washington DC in some

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offices I worked with where I had you

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know by security clearances

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it was like an Open Secret

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and uh so when I left I wrote all of

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this up

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in a science fiction novel actually I

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told my bosses I was leaving I went down

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to work at Kennedy Space Center in

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Florida from Washington DC after 9 11

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and uh I said she had been thinking of

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writing a science fiction novel they

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gave me a farewell lunch people from the

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agencies you know Intel agencies and the

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uniform services I work for and uh I

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said I was thinking to write a science

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fiction novel using some of the stuff

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strange stuff I heard around the coffee

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machine and in the hall you know before

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and after meetings and

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to my surprise they said John you ought

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to write that novel we'll read it just

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make sure it's labeled science fiction

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so I did write it it's called

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Morningstar pass the collapse of the UFO

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cover-up uh the subtitle is absolute

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secrecy creates absolute power

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and uh

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I put everything in there the abductions

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the mutilations the crash retrievals the

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crap the shoot Downs the fire fights

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everything that I'd heard about

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but it's labeled as science fiction I

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wrote it in 2005 so you can basically

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and I decided to wrap up drama around it

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uh two beautiful women for one thing uh

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and uh they're they're both news anchors

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and they spill the beat people start

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leaking stuff to them just like is

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happening now

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only there in a new upstart news network

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they're a pair of nervy wannabes who

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want to be big news Stars yeah suddenly

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somebody starts leaking all this stuff

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to them and by the time it's over

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there's Congressional hearings complete

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dead aliens and pickle jars presented as

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evidence

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to the public and uh

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with a whimper like it apparently is

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ending now it ends with a big bang uh

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it's uh very violent and horrific well

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it is you know as they say right truth

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is Stranger Than Fiction right yes it is

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uh to have David uh come out uh and and

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the similarities between uh your your

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science fiction right and what is

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happening now if you think about it

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Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal

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wrote this article and published it with

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the debrief right this wasn't the New

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York Times this wasn't CNN this wasn't

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Fox this wasn't talking about

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it was the upstart right the debris in

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the nervy upstart yeah yeah and and is

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is that I was talking to Richard Dolan

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about this very subject last night is

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that where we are with the media today

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that to get to the real truth and to get

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the support from a media organization

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you have to go uh to somebody with with

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Integrity but also streamlined too as

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well right like like the debrief is is

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that where we are with this

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I I depicted in my novel

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internet news service that was an

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upstart news service

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carried this story

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you know because these two women were

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pushing it and um

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finally somebody attempts to kill him

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and they kill several of the other

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reporters who work with them and they

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have lunch with a someone from The

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Washington Post this is in the novel

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and she says you know we're kind of

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concerned now that that people are

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getting killed at your network over this

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UFO cover-up thing and and the two women

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look at her and realize oh the source

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came to you first and you wouldn't print

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because you were too skeptical and you

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uh named Cassandra Chen she just says to

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post reporter she says well we passed

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coup d'etat by the secret government

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and we I don't want to I don't know

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that's okay it's okay I'm I'm concerned

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way here no no no what I'm I I don't

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want to say what I'm about to say I kind

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of feel the vibe uh that you're talking

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grush has said he's talked about aliens

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um harming and killing humans he is yeah

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and and I I found that uh uh pretty

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pretty shocking but if we let's let's go

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to the first basic thing

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um and you're and your water cooler

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experience yes you've been working with

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propulsion systems you've worked with

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NASA you've worked on differences

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water Reaper called The Met Thruster

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it's flying in space now yeah I patented

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it yeah yeah lying in space

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who when when Crush says we have

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flying saucers I I'm using flying

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saucers I can do off-world craft

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whatever let's just let's go with flying

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saucers because everybody knows exactly

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everybody knows what they are yeah right

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right uh who's got them do you have you

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intact or at site 51 and then there's

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Lockheed or Northrop Grumman or Raytheon

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stuff at this level of compartmentalized

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secrecy

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companies that are equipped to handle

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that stuff people who build spy

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satellites and things like that

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and uh they can be trusted with this

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stuff

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um

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gorsh has broken the Code of Silence on

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this stuff I mean he's talking about

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stuff that I heard all the time when I

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worked in Washington DC but I never

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talked about it I wrote a science

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fiction novel finally after I left DC

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and I sort of got permission to do it

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right you know as long as it was called

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science fiction

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so did you hear the same uh did you hear

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uh the same chatter that we did have in

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Tac craft yes

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yes I heard all that I heard that they

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had

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a large collection of crafts

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um

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I mean but these were stories I I you

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know I never saw any reports or I was

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never read into those programs these

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were just like

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scuttled butter around the water cooler

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or the coffee machine it was more like

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that occasionally people in their

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offices would tell me stuff they told me

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one story you'll love this that the Navy

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set up this radar in the Pacific

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and to watch ICBM Warheads coming in for

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testing you know for the Polaris missile

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and the Trident and they turned it on

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and immediately there were two crash

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UFOs on a nearby island in the path of

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the radar beam it was a giant bug zapper

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they were the saucers were apparently

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flying into the beam

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losing control of their craft and

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crashing and they had several crashes on

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this island and then recovered

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they said they had so many bodies they

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quit collecting bodies they would just

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burn them or you know uh because

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they already had so many and they get

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ripe really quick apparently you know

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these are all just stories I heard I

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don't you know if I if I actually had

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been reading the programs I still

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wouldn't talk about it

329
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but I wasn't read into the programs I

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just exposed to it right right right and

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do you think that grush

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um

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uh now whistleblower status and going

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public and getting your name out there

335
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uh I I think is a good thing it's a good

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thing it's a good thing for a disclosure

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but it also helps protect him right it

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does protect him and people to my

339
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knowledge people have been killed and

340
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other people have been driven to nervous

341
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breakdowns by the government when they

342
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learn too much it wouldn't shut up about

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it

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he seems uh his demeanor you've you know

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you work around professionals and and

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the science and intelligence Community

347
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he seems uh pretty solid his feet are on

348
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the ground

349
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yeah that's my impression of him yes

350
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do you do you feel do you sense any

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deception

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well

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you know that's pretty pretty hard to

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call out uh

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um

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all I know is he is saying things that I

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heard when I worked in Washington DC

358
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with some of the same

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you know agencies he work for

360
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it sounds very similar I mean you know

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and I put that in the novel The Opening

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the opening scene of the novels and

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bringing down a UFO with electromagnetic

364
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uh beams and then storming it to capture

365
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it right

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and then having it hauled away and uh

367
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it's a special forces Special Forces

368
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Detachment that does that uh Ultra

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secret and it is this is in the novel of

370
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course I you know I took everything I'd

371
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heard and kind of tried to make sense

372
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out of the whole thing by writing a

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novel about it and and uh all I can say

374
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is that people told me it was widely

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read at the agencies

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wow that they people liked it they said

377
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is it is if if you label something

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science fiction

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right you've you've you know you've

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heard things so I'm not claiming this is

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fact at all I'm just claiming it's it's

382
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a science fiction story right and so

383
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those that read it that are you know in

384
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the know

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um you're in the clear because of

386
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Science Fiction but they're reading it

387
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follow their directions they said John

388
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we'd like you yes we'd like you to write

389
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a novel and we'll read it and just make

390
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sure it's labeled science fiction how

391
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many of these incursions

392
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um are happening is it is it daily

393
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monthly yearly I I couldn't tell you all

394
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I heard was there were a lot of them

395
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and there were even military clashes

396
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involving our jet fighters and uh

397
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you know we'd expend

398
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several jet fighters to bring down one

399
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UFO and we and it was possible to bring

400
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them down they were not

401
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if they got hit with a missile with a

402
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high explosive Warhead they came down

403
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with a big hole in them

404
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um the here's the most shocking rumor I

405
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heard

406
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um

407
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Roswell and and by the way this is a

408
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fact isn't there's like

409
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does anybody know what was stored at

410
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Roswell in 1947

411
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when the

412
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supposed Roswell incident occur what do

413
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you mean stored

414
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you know what was it Roswell Army Air

415
00:19:09,409 --> 00:19:06,299
Base yeah nuclear weapons it was all the

416
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nuclear weapons on Earth were stored in

417
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the world that was it in the world and

418
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what had happened was according to

419
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Philip Corso who wrote a very good book

420
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beyond uh which by the way

421
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I read his book and it agreed with

422
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everything I'd heard too uh or you know

423
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most in the most cases so anyway

424
00:19:32,090 --> 00:19:30,059
apparently the government was very

425
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concerned about all these UFOs buzzing

426
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Roswell because that's where our nukes

427
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were but nobody knew it except

428
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the military so then they started

429
00:19:45,169 --> 00:19:43,679
patrolling in the sky at night they

430
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didn't have jet fighters that could fly

431
00:19:48,650 --> 00:19:46,260
at night

432
00:19:51,770 --> 00:19:48,660
they had World War II Knight Fighters

433
00:19:54,850 --> 00:19:51,780
called the Black Widow that would had a

434
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big radar in his nose

435
00:20:00,770 --> 00:19:58,320
this is the story I heard they shot down

436
00:20:04,430 --> 00:20:00,780
two

437
00:20:08,090 --> 00:20:04,440
flying saucers in one night over Roswell

438
00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:08,100
just on July 4th one crash near Roswell

439
00:20:12,169 --> 00:20:09,840
they didn't even know it had crashed

440
00:20:14,330 --> 00:20:12,179
they you know it was they had to come

441
00:20:15,830 --> 00:20:14,340
back up it wasn't until people turned in

442
00:20:18,169 --> 00:20:15,840
wreckage that they knew it had crashed

443
00:20:20,090 --> 00:20:18,179
the other one crashed near Socorro New

444
00:20:21,890 --> 00:20:20,100
Mexico because they damaged it in the

445
00:20:24,350 --> 00:20:21,900
firefight

446
00:20:26,810 --> 00:20:24,360
a World War II

447
00:20:29,330 --> 00:20:26,820
double engine fighter but it had four 20

448
00:20:31,909 --> 00:20:29,340
millimeter cannons on the bottom of the

449
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plane and four 50 calibers in a turret

450
00:20:36,650 --> 00:20:34,440
on the top it was called the black widow

451
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:36,660
not for nothing because it it was very

452
00:20:41,630 --> 00:20:38,640
successful night fighter in World War II

453
00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:41,640
again I don't remember yeah that was our

454
00:20:49,789 --> 00:20:45,600
standard night fighter in 1947.

455
00:20:51,230 --> 00:20:49,799
the veteran Cruise so that's so what

456
00:20:53,870 --> 00:20:51,240
this means is

457
00:20:55,250 --> 00:20:53,880
the government knew that the aliens were

458
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hostile

459
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:57,539
they were trying to scope out our most

460
00:21:03,710 --> 00:21:00,240
sensitive defense Secrets they also knew

461
00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:03,720
they could be shot down after that

462
00:21:10,669 --> 00:21:06,480
that's that's what I heard

463
00:21:13,610 --> 00:21:10,679
so wow that is that's really interesting

464
00:21:15,950 --> 00:21:13,620
um I I I need to put the whole it puts a

465
00:21:18,169 --> 00:21:15,960
whole different complexion on this it

466
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:18,179
does it does it does I'm really gonna

467
00:21:26,830 --> 00:21:20,880
lose some sleep tonight uh contemplating

468
00:21:30,289 --> 00:21:26,840
that yes that we shot down uh

469
00:21:32,810 --> 00:21:30,299
wow two saucers in one night

470
00:21:34,430 --> 00:21:32,820
the heroine of my novel even comments

471
00:21:36,350 --> 00:21:34,440
when she learns this she says well I

472
00:21:38,450 --> 00:21:36,360
always thought losing one saucer over

473
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Roswell was

474
00:21:43,730 --> 00:21:41,220
bad luck she says but to lose two

475
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spacecraft over Roswell in one night

476
00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:45,480
that starts to look like incompetence

477
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Jesus

478
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no but no it was a shoot it was shoot

479
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down

480
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you have a NASA hat on I was gonna go

481
00:22:00,590 --> 00:21:57,120
put out my NASA shirt um oh well I just

482
00:22:04,430 --> 00:22:00,600
you know hey yeah it covers up the glare

483
00:22:06,770 --> 00:22:04,440
you know yeah I I like and I work for

484
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:06,780
NASA I was a NASA contractor at one

485
00:22:11,690 --> 00:22:09,840
point and and you know I've I'm here in

486
00:22:15,409 --> 00:22:11,700
in Palmdale you know I've got the big

487
00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:15,419
NASA facility yeah a mile from my house

488
00:22:24,190 --> 00:22:19,140
it's it's like Goldstone uh it's the one

489
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that's where my uncle worked by the way

490
00:22:32,090 --> 00:22:30,120
and he didn't tell us till he retired we

491
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were no all

492
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during my childhood we thought he worked

493
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for Lockheed and you know on on stuff

494
00:22:42,409 --> 00:22:39,780
and but we found out he worked at the

495
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:42,419
Skunk Works once he'd retired yeah yeah

496
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it's such a big uh Palmdale small okay

497
00:22:51,950 --> 00:22:48,360
it's small it's I don't know it's it's

498
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probably to 30 40 000 people

499
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um but

500
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uh 20 000 work there right oh my God

501
00:23:05,330 --> 00:23:02,700
here's the thing about Palmdale and I'm

502
00:23:07,570 --> 00:23:05,340
not joking about this you go to Costco

503
00:23:13,370 --> 00:23:07,580
right go to Target

504
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go to the supermarket yes everybody you

505
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:14,460
look at

506
00:23:20,990 --> 00:23:17,520
everybody with a shopping cart everybody

507
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driving a car has got a security

508
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clearance and will not tell you where

509
00:23:28,610 --> 00:23:26,340
they work just like I I'm used to that

510
00:23:30,909 --> 00:23:28,620
world I'm used to that it's the whole

511
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town

512
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we've got Northrop Grumman here we've

513
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got Air Force plant 42

514
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we've got NASA we've got Lockheed Skunk

515
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Works and there's two or three other uh

516
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factories out there without any names on

517
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it

518
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show up for family get-togethers and we

519
00:24:00,169 --> 00:23:58,320
we just said oh I work for Lockheed you

520
00:24:02,390 --> 00:24:00,179
know and we only found out after he

521
00:24:05,450 --> 00:24:02,400
retired that he's at the skunk work so

522
00:24:08,570 --> 00:24:05,460
he kept his mouth shut all those years

523
00:24:11,090 --> 00:24:08,580
yeah yeah not just the mafia that keeps

524
00:24:12,830 --> 00:24:11,100
their mouth shut you know I'm telling

525
00:24:15,230 --> 00:24:12,840
you I'm telling you I live here I live

526
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:15,240
here I know exactly what is going on

527
00:24:21,409 --> 00:24:16,799
there was

528
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um uh so I uh I'm sad I'm just literally

529
00:24:28,430 --> 00:24:23,280
at the supermarket

530
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:28,440
and uh uh this lady turns she's in front

531
00:24:31,070 --> 00:24:30,000
of me she's shopping uh we're in the

532
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:31,080
checkout line

533
00:24:36,409 --> 00:24:33,600
and and I see she's got the shirt on

534
00:24:38,210 --> 00:24:36,419
with these badges a t-shirt right but

535
00:24:39,289 --> 00:24:38,220
it's got right uh printing on the

536
00:24:41,330 --> 00:24:39,299
sleeves

537
00:24:43,549 --> 00:24:41,340
and you know so I'm just kind of looking

538
00:24:45,409 --> 00:24:43,559
I'm not going to say what what it said

539
00:24:48,169 --> 00:24:45,419
but you know what I'm looking at it's

540
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:48,179
like okay and then she turns and faces

541
00:24:56,169 --> 00:24:50,400
me and

542
00:24:59,409 --> 00:24:56,179
I don't know what I wonder what she does

543
00:25:02,630 --> 00:24:59,419
like if she didn't have this shirt on

544
00:25:04,130 --> 00:25:02,640
let's say the shirt okay I'm gonna make

545
00:25:07,370 --> 00:25:04,140
something up I'm not gonna say something

546
00:25:13,130 --> 00:25:07,380
up yes but let's say it said

547
00:25:14,330 --> 00:25:13,140
space force team leader employee of the

548
00:25:16,610 --> 00:25:14,340
month

549
00:25:18,669 --> 00:25:16,620
Palmdale California you know something

550
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:18,679
like that right right

551
00:25:24,289 --> 00:25:22,159
and and and but she looked like

552
00:25:27,890 --> 00:25:24,299
anybody's mom

553
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:27,900
you know what I mean and and that's

554
00:25:32,570 --> 00:25:30,720
Palmdale that's Palmdale you know I I

555
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:32,580
don't know what she does but

556
00:25:39,049 --> 00:25:36,480
it was I wanted to I wanted it so bad to

557
00:25:43,610 --> 00:25:39,059
go listen I don't want to freak you out

558
00:25:45,890 --> 00:25:43,620
but I am and I do and I would love to

559
00:25:49,310 --> 00:25:45,900
just talk to you for a second

560
00:25:51,470 --> 00:25:49,320
um but you know I just I just can't do

561
00:25:56,269 --> 00:25:54,289
phrase in one

562
00:25:58,610 --> 00:25:56,279
and watch somebody

563
00:26:01,610 --> 00:25:58,620
whose spouse worked for one of these

564
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:01,620
agencies in one of these programs you

565
00:26:04,909 --> 00:26:03,600
asked them what does your husband do

566
00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:04,919
exactly

567
00:26:12,529 --> 00:26:08,820
they would respond he works

568
00:26:15,529 --> 00:26:12,539
yeah and then and then of course the the

569
00:26:17,470 --> 00:26:15,539
other joke was if I told you that I'd

570
00:26:21,289 --> 00:26:17,480
have to kill you

571
00:26:25,850 --> 00:26:21,299
it's really the truth and and I also

572
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:25,860
respect uh everybody here they've got uh

573
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:28,799
a very high pressure jobs it's a it's a

574
00:26:34,430 --> 00:26:31,919
very everybody's got their I helped us

575
00:26:37,010 --> 00:26:34,440
win the Cold War and what helped us win

576
00:26:38,690 --> 00:26:37,020
World War II get the credit for that

577
00:26:42,289 --> 00:26:38,700
absolutely

578
00:26:44,990 --> 00:26:42,299
um and and when we go back to uh where I

579
00:26:48,169 --> 00:26:45,000
live right morocc dry lake bed behind me

580
00:26:50,090 --> 00:26:48,179
yeah that's that's that's the actual and

581
00:26:53,810 --> 00:26:50,100
that's where the sound down barrier was

582
00:26:57,130 --> 00:26:53,820
broke you know yes it was the SR-71 the

583
00:26:59,870 --> 00:26:57,140
U2 the the F-117

584
00:27:03,710 --> 00:26:59,880
it all came from here all came from

585
00:27:05,450 --> 00:27:03,720
there yeah yeah the B1 bomber right

586
00:27:09,850 --> 00:27:05,460
um the Lancer which is one of my

587
00:27:13,070 --> 00:27:09,860
favorite planes the b-58 you know

588
00:27:14,810 --> 00:27:13,080
could go on and on but I wanted to add

589
00:27:16,430 --> 00:27:14,820
the reason why I brought up the NASA hat

590
00:27:18,669 --> 00:27:16,440
you're talking to the right guy to talk

591
00:27:22,130 --> 00:27:18,679
about that stuff

592
00:27:24,169 --> 00:27:22,140
is okay all right well hold on hold on

593
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:24,179
hold on we'll get back to the b-58

594
00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:26,640
Hustler which I still think is the

595
00:27:33,710 --> 00:27:29,840
sexiest plane uh

596
00:27:35,470 --> 00:27:33,720
real fast beautiful

597
00:27:39,730 --> 00:27:35,480
um is this

598
00:27:45,049 --> 00:27:39,740
NASA just did their uh press conference

599
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:45,059
and their online uh live stream and I

600
00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:47,840
thought that it was a very strange

601
00:27:54,350 --> 00:27:51,240
presentation in that

602
00:27:55,310 --> 00:27:54,360
um yeah yeah yeah because it was it was

603
00:28:00,890 --> 00:27:55,320
a mix

604
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:00,900
there was uh the mentions of look we

605
00:28:08,570 --> 00:28:05,039
need NASA on this ET issue and I thought

606
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:08,580
well that's okay so is Arrow

607
00:28:15,289 --> 00:28:12,240
taking anything that is

608
00:28:18,529 --> 00:28:15,299
you know out there related and any data

609
00:28:20,990 --> 00:28:18,539
and immediately passing the buck handing

610
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:21,000
that over to NASA and letting them deal

611
00:28:26,210 --> 00:28:23,279
with the information instead of

612
00:28:28,430 --> 00:28:26,220
Consulting NASA and bringing them back

613
00:28:31,549 --> 00:28:28,440
in and that's the way this presentation

614
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:31,559
was kind of laid out

615
00:28:37,250 --> 00:28:34,799
um what what do you think that out of

616
00:28:41,149 --> 00:28:37,260
all of the agencies and that includes

617
00:28:42,890 --> 00:28:41,159
the nro right and and and the Navy and

618
00:28:45,490 --> 00:28:42,900
the Air Force

619
00:28:49,730 --> 00:28:45,500
um uh the the branches of the military

620
00:28:52,970 --> 00:28:49,740
it's NASA that has the sensor data it's

621
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,980
NASA that is looking to the stars um

622
00:28:58,909 --> 00:28:54,240
every single day

623
00:29:01,730 --> 00:28:58,919
uh they they know things and and NASA is

624
00:29:04,909 --> 00:29:01,740
acting like they are still searching for

625
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:04,919
things how what is it that you can tell

626
00:29:07,970 --> 00:29:06,000
me

627
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:07,980
um on the subject what does NASA really

628
00:29:15,049 --> 00:29:09,840
know

629
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:15,059
uh my my impression over the years was

630
00:29:18,590 --> 00:29:17,520
that NASA was almost completely out of

631
00:29:22,610 --> 00:29:18,600
the loop

632
00:29:26,090 --> 00:29:22,620
everything that every knowledge about

633
00:29:28,130 --> 00:29:26,100
you know reported ETS that was serious

634
00:29:31,730 --> 00:29:28,140
who went to the Pentagon and the

635
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:31,740
agencies it just NASA was the last when

636
00:29:36,169 --> 00:29:33,840
when I discovered evidence that there

637
00:29:37,130 --> 00:29:36,179
was a new thermonuclear Holocaust on

638
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:37,140
Mars

639
00:29:42,830 --> 00:29:41,039
which I've been publishing and uh

640
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:42,840
supposedly is into a journal it's been

641
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,399
accepted to journal and should appear

642
00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:46,320
soon

643
00:29:51,169 --> 00:29:49,260
um I didn't bother reporting it to NASA

644
00:29:52,850 --> 00:29:51,179
no I reported it to the defense

645
00:29:55,970 --> 00:29:52,860
intelligence agency

646
00:29:57,470 --> 00:29:55,980
because I knew they had they had a Mars

647
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:57,480
desk

648
00:30:02,810 --> 00:29:59,279
at the agency

649
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,820
and uh and they sent somebody over

650
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:04,799
who listened carefully to my

651
00:30:08,570 --> 00:30:06,480
presentation and the evidence I'd

652
00:30:11,409 --> 00:30:08,580
assembled

653
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:11,419
and said we'll get back to you and then

654
00:30:16,850 --> 00:30:14,640
six weeks later I I didn't hear anything

655
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:16,860
for six weeks and then six weeks later

656
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:18,960
through channels they said

657
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:21,120
we see no reason you should put you

658
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:23,039
shouldn't publish this

659
00:30:28,130 --> 00:30:25,919
which astonished me but I didn't even

660
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:28,140
bother with NASA NASA wouldn't give me

661
00:30:32,830 --> 00:30:31,200
the time of day if I if I presented this

662
00:30:35,450 --> 00:30:32,840
stuff to them

663
00:30:38,690 --> 00:30:35,460
but that's not their mission their

664
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:38,700
mission is actually not to see things

665
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:42,240
so what about what about astronauts and

666
00:30:51,169 --> 00:30:46,799
not only uh the ISS and and current

667
00:30:53,389 --> 00:30:51,179
flights but but but Mercury and Gemini

668
00:30:56,810 --> 00:30:53,399
and and of course the Apollo missions

669
00:30:59,149 --> 00:30:56,820
and the Apollos Edgar Mitchell is a

670
00:31:01,130 --> 00:30:59,159
classic example of this

671
00:31:04,190 --> 00:31:01,140
um what about their information does

672
00:31:05,470 --> 00:31:04,200
that go to NASA or does that stay within

673
00:31:08,810 --> 00:31:05,480
the military

674
00:31:11,470 --> 00:31:08,820
well these guys were all former military

675
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:11,480
but

676
00:31:17,510 --> 00:31:14,159
if you read the original founding

677
00:31:19,610 --> 00:31:17,520
documents of NASA The Brookings report

678
00:31:23,330 --> 00:31:19,620
stuff like this

679
00:31:24,830 --> 00:31:23,340
uh they talk about finding uh artifacts

680
00:31:27,169 --> 00:31:24,840
of

681
00:31:29,690 --> 00:31:27,179
you know an alien presence in the solar

682
00:31:31,730 --> 00:31:29,700
system and they say well

683
00:31:34,490 --> 00:31:31,740
just sit on them because it'll cause

684
00:31:36,289 --> 00:31:34,500
public distress and it was the middle of

685
00:31:38,510 --> 00:31:36,299
the Cold War they

686
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:38,520
one thing you always want to if you're

687
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:40,559
in a conflict like the cold war public

688
00:31:46,430 --> 00:31:43,200
morale is very important and they just

689
00:31:49,610 --> 00:31:46,440
they just said sit on it and so that's

690
00:31:52,250 --> 00:31:49,620
NASA has been operating under the same

691
00:31:53,149 --> 00:31:52,260
marching orders ever since they formed

692
00:31:56,029 --> 00:31:53,159
it

693
00:31:59,630 --> 00:31:56,039
and that is if you find evidence for

694
00:32:02,930 --> 00:31:59,640
artifacts of like on Mars for instance

695
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:02,940
face pyramid

696
00:32:10,610 --> 00:32:06,240
uh this dismiss it

697
00:32:14,450 --> 00:32:10,620
and uh don't investigate in fact our our

698
00:32:17,450 --> 00:32:14,460
joke is that in the in the Mars anomaly

699
00:32:19,370 --> 00:32:17,460
Community is that they recruit Rover

700
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:19,380
drivers they actually have drivers who

701
00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:22,799
drive The Rovers on Mars they have a

702
00:32:26,930 --> 00:32:25,320
steering wheel and a console and you

703
00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:26,940
know even though it's a 20-minute lag

704
00:32:30,350 --> 00:32:28,860
they can still see the kit with the

705
00:32:33,529 --> 00:32:30,360
cameras see and they're driving along

706
00:32:36,049 --> 00:32:33,539
and the joke is is that they only

707
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,059
recruit people for that job

708
00:32:41,690 --> 00:32:38,640
if they've been driving in La for five

709
00:32:43,850 --> 00:32:41,700
years because if you're driving in La

710
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:43,860
for five years and you see a burning car

711
00:32:48,590 --> 00:32:45,840
by the road and a person in a gorilla

712
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:48,600
suit waving for help

713
00:32:53,389 --> 00:32:51,360
you just keep driving

714
00:32:55,570 --> 00:32:53,399
whatever strange thing you see you just

715
00:32:58,370 --> 00:32:55,580
keep driving and that's that's the

716
00:33:00,289 --> 00:32:58,380
they've found all sorts of interesting

717
00:33:02,210 --> 00:33:00,299
things on Mars but you notice they never

718
00:33:04,370 --> 00:33:02,220
come bring the Rover back to take a

719
00:33:05,570 --> 00:33:04,380
closer look at them they don't they just

720
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:05,580
keep driving

721
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:14,210
and this is NASA yeah this is where I

722
00:33:22,610 --> 00:33:19,279
find uh I I'm I'm confused this is where

723
00:33:25,450 --> 00:33:22,620
my brain gets a little messed up that's

724
00:33:29,210 --> 00:33:25,460
a sign of intelligence Jimmy

725
00:33:32,269 --> 00:33:29,220
in this situation if you're confused in

726
00:33:35,389 --> 00:33:32,279
this funding environment all right and

727
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:35,399
especially with NASA as an agency that's

728
00:33:39,710 --> 00:33:38,159
always begging for more money it would

729
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:39,720
seem to me

730
00:33:46,190 --> 00:33:43,200
it would be in their best interest to

731
00:33:48,289 --> 00:33:46,200
discover something on Mars you wouldn't

732
00:33:50,090 --> 00:33:48,299
think wouldn't you think so does that

733
00:33:51,710 --> 00:33:50,100
make sense to me I think they would have

734
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:51,720
all the funding they needed if they

735
00:33:58,190 --> 00:33:55,679
found an uh uh an empty cup Coke can you

736
00:34:00,769 --> 00:33:58,200
know on the surface of Mars that is you

737
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:00,779
know uh you know a million years old or

738
00:34:06,490 --> 00:34:03,840
a billion years old I I think that I I

739
00:34:10,669 --> 00:34:06,500
say that in jest right but but something

740
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:10,679
something that is not natural if they

741
00:34:17,629 --> 00:34:14,639
found some artifact it would open up the

742
00:34:20,690 --> 00:34:17,639
floodgates of funding I I would say you

743
00:34:23,210 --> 00:34:20,700
would think so no no no no you don't

744
00:34:25,609 --> 00:34:23,220
understand it's like a convent

745
00:34:27,770 --> 00:34:25,619
why the Mother Superior and the

746
00:34:30,530 --> 00:34:27,780
assistant Mother Superior feuding and

747
00:34:33,169 --> 00:34:30,540
their factions uh for instance

748
00:34:37,210 --> 00:34:33,179
when they found Signs of Life in the

749
00:34:42,409 --> 00:34:37,220
Mars meteorite alh 8401

750
00:34:44,930 --> 00:34:42,419
that work was done by NASA Houston

751
00:34:47,869 --> 00:34:44,940
Center of manned space flight

752
00:34:50,089 --> 00:34:47,879
the people who criticize that work

753
00:34:53,869 --> 00:34:50,099
viciously

754
00:34:57,010 --> 00:34:53,879
were all associated with JPL Pasadena so

755
00:34:59,570 --> 00:34:57,020
we have a Houston Pasadena thing in fact

756
00:35:02,210 --> 00:34:59,580
Whitley strieber

757
00:35:05,089 --> 00:35:02,220
says he hurt he heard a quote from a

758
00:35:07,550 --> 00:35:05,099
meeting at JPL that went like this it

759
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:07,560
says one manager was screaming at

760
00:35:11,569 --> 00:35:08,640
another

761
00:35:13,450 --> 00:35:11,579
he says don't you know that life on Mars

762
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:13,460
is death for JPL

763
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:17,040
because no it means all the money will

764
00:35:22,370 --> 00:35:19,200
go to Houston so they can do a manned

765
00:35:24,530 --> 00:35:22,380
space flight Mission to Mars and JPL

766
00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:24,540
imagines that suddenly all its funding

767
00:35:28,370 --> 00:35:26,040
will disappear and that's of course

768
00:35:29,870 --> 00:35:28,380
that's ridiculous but that's not the way

769
00:35:33,410 --> 00:35:29,880
these people think they're very

770
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:33,420
competitive and they didn't want to find

771
00:35:38,089 --> 00:35:36,240
Life on Mars

772
00:35:40,910 --> 00:35:38,099
um because that would mean there would

773
00:35:44,270 --> 00:35:40,920
be a a human Mission to Mars and they

774
00:35:46,849 --> 00:35:44,280
like these Rovers you notice the JPL has

775
00:35:48,770 --> 00:35:46,859
landed all these Rovers and Landers on

776
00:35:51,170 --> 00:35:48,780
Mars

777
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,180
not once have they landed another life

778
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:53,520
experiment they landed life experiments

779
00:36:00,589 --> 00:35:56,880
in 1976 right on what they called weird

780
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,599
chemistry in the soil and then said oh

781
00:36:04,609 --> 00:36:02,160
but but it wasn't life it was just weird

782
00:36:05,870 --> 00:36:04,619
chemistry they have never tested for

783
00:36:08,750 --> 00:36:05,880
life again

784
00:36:13,010 --> 00:36:08,760
since they don't want to find Life on

785
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:13,020
Mars so I I remember those

786
00:36:17,930 --> 00:36:16,320
um uh experiments going down and and

787
00:36:21,050 --> 00:36:17,940
being told

788
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:21,060
how so they're collecting a cup of soil

789
00:36:27,770 --> 00:36:24,480
right yes and then they they got a

790
00:36:29,390 --> 00:36:27,780
little syringe right they're injecting

791
00:36:31,970 --> 00:36:29,400
water

792
00:36:34,970 --> 00:36:31,980
um into the soil and throwing a light on

793
00:36:37,010 --> 00:36:34,980
it a grow light all right yes like you

794
00:36:39,470 --> 00:36:37,020
know I grew up one test and another one

795
00:36:41,210 --> 00:36:39,480
is they put chicken they dump some soil

796
00:36:44,750 --> 00:36:41,220
into chicken soup you know nutrient

797
00:36:47,150 --> 00:36:44,760
broth right and watch for activity you

798
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:47,160
know like bacteria growing in that did

799
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:48,240
it ferment

800
00:36:53,870 --> 00:36:51,839
and they got positive results on two out

801
00:36:56,930 --> 00:36:53,880
of three experiments

802
00:36:58,849 --> 00:36:56,940
and uh Gil Levin who was one of the

803
00:37:01,790 --> 00:36:58,859
scientists on that said they found life

804
00:37:04,010 --> 00:37:01,800
and they decided to spike it

805
00:37:05,569 --> 00:37:04,020
because well there were a number of

806
00:37:07,609 --> 00:37:05,579
things going on they were afraid it

807
00:37:10,490 --> 00:37:07,619
would offend the fundamentalist

808
00:37:13,730 --> 00:37:10,500
community in this country but also it

809
00:37:16,430 --> 00:37:13,740
has to do with the fight between

810
00:37:18,410 --> 00:37:16,440
Pasadena and Houston over who is going

811
00:37:21,890 --> 00:37:18,420
to run barter town

812
00:37:24,530 --> 00:37:21,900
who's going to run this space program

813
00:37:26,810 --> 00:37:24,540
does Bill what do you think of Bill

814
00:37:31,370 --> 00:37:26,820
Nelson

815
00:37:35,390 --> 00:37:31,380
glad he's in charge yeah me too he's

816
00:37:38,569 --> 00:37:35,400
been up in space and I know that

817
00:37:41,450 --> 00:37:38,579
he wants he doesn't the idea of finding

818
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:41,460
a dead civilization on Mars

819
00:37:46,670 --> 00:37:43,920
or evidence of a nuclear Holocaust on

820
00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:46,680
Mars that may have targeted that

821
00:37:50,810 --> 00:37:48,839
that he'd be all for it

822
00:37:53,329 --> 00:37:50,820
because he's a

823
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:53,339
you know he's that kind of guy

824
00:37:57,530 --> 00:37:55,920
uh jet propulsion lab though doesn't

825
00:37:59,329 --> 00:37:57,540
want to hear about it

826
00:38:01,130 --> 00:37:59,339
they don't want anything like that

827
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,140
because that means they'll lose control

828
00:38:05,810 --> 00:38:03,359
of Mars and Mars right now is an

829
00:38:08,990 --> 00:38:05,820
all-you-can-eat buffet for them yeah it

830
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:09,000
is it is it is and everybody's got their

831
00:38:13,250 --> 00:38:10,800
fingers in that pie right you've got

832
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:13,260
yeah it is ultimately about money and

833
00:38:20,930 --> 00:38:17,280
power yeah yeah you got Bezos and Elon

834
00:38:23,329 --> 00:38:20,940
Musk and NASA and government money and

835
00:38:27,290 --> 00:38:23,339
and everybody with their plans on you

836
00:38:30,170 --> 00:38:27,300
know building uh a permanent uh uh

837
00:38:32,329 --> 00:38:30,180
settlement there on Mars and yep you

838
00:38:33,950 --> 00:38:32,339
know I I've heard different dates thrown

839
00:38:37,310 --> 00:38:33,960
around

840
00:38:39,770 --> 00:38:37,320
um how habitable I mean they're talking

841
00:38:42,370 --> 00:38:39,780
about getting this done between 20 30

842
00:38:44,690 --> 00:38:42,380
and 2040. it seems pretty ambitious

843
00:38:47,569 --> 00:38:44,700
that's that's they could do it a lot

844
00:38:49,250 --> 00:38:47,579
faster than that right the SLS which

845
00:38:52,430 --> 00:38:49,260
they launched the Artemis mission on

846
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:52,440
yeah if you put the right upper stage on

847
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:54,960
that they could go to Mars without any

848
00:39:00,589 --> 00:38:56,880
problem

849
00:39:03,230 --> 00:39:00,599
see I work on Rocket engines

850
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:03,240
i i invented this rocket engine that

851
00:39:07,250 --> 00:39:05,040
runs on microwaves means you could run

852
00:39:10,190 --> 00:39:07,260
it on big solar power panels

853
00:39:12,050 --> 00:39:10,200
and it uses pure water as its fuel it

854
00:39:13,730 --> 00:39:12,060
turns the water into a plasma it was

855
00:39:16,670 --> 00:39:13,740
squirts out a nozzle

856
00:39:23,810 --> 00:39:20,810
if we put that on top of the SLS that we

857
00:39:26,510 --> 00:39:23,820
launched the the moon capsule we could

858
00:39:30,050 --> 00:39:26,520
put people in Mars orbit without any

859
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:30,060
problem how fast how fast uh well I

860
00:39:35,329 --> 00:39:31,280
think we could do it in a couple years

861
00:39:40,970 --> 00:39:35,339
no uh no how how fast how long would the

862
00:39:43,490 --> 00:39:40,980
mission be uh oh uh well that depends

863
00:39:45,770 --> 00:39:43,500
um some say six months is the best that

864
00:39:48,170 --> 00:39:45,780
we can do I think that I think I think

865
00:39:51,530 --> 00:39:48,180
we could do about six months maybe even

866
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:51,540
a little bit better with this I invented

867
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:53,760
this rocket engine I made the patent on

868
00:40:00,170 --> 00:39:56,480
it right and I have a

869
00:40:02,270 --> 00:40:00,180
75 kilowatt version sitting in my living

870
00:40:06,170 --> 00:40:02,280
room as a Conversation Piece By the way

871
00:40:07,010 --> 00:40:06,180
that I actually tested and so we could

872
00:40:09,770 --> 00:40:07,020
um

873
00:40:12,290 --> 00:40:09,780
we could beat Elon Muska Mars with the

874
00:40:16,310 --> 00:40:12,300
SLS that we have also they have a big

875
00:40:19,790 --> 00:40:16,320
inflatable heat shield now

876
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:19,800
once you get to Mars landing on Mars is

877
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:21,839
actually very safe you just put off a

878
00:40:27,050 --> 00:40:23,760
big heat shield then you put out a big

879
00:40:29,390 --> 00:40:27,060
parachute boom you're on Mars very safe

880
00:40:31,490 --> 00:40:29,400
it's getting off of Mars and coming home

881
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:31,500
that's where things

882
00:40:36,650 --> 00:40:34,079
might get a little dangerous because you

883
00:40:39,290 --> 00:40:36,660
have to put up a rocket on Mars

884
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:39,300
and launch into space at least to

885
00:40:44,569 --> 00:40:41,359
Rendezvous with a Mothership in orbit

886
00:40:46,670 --> 00:40:44,579
and and that's that's a lot more

887
00:40:49,310 --> 00:40:46,680
dangerous than a heat coming into the

888
00:40:52,010 --> 00:40:49,320
heat shield and uh

889
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:52,020
um just a big parachute

890
00:40:58,849 --> 00:40:56,400
what's the uh what's the atmosphere like

891
00:41:00,170 --> 00:40:58,859
on Mars I know you've done a lot of your

892
00:41:03,370 --> 00:41:00,180
testing

893
00:41:07,150 --> 00:41:03,380
um yes and and things

894
00:41:10,910 --> 00:41:07,160
I want to talk about the distant past uh

895
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:10,920
and and we'll go there next but right

896
00:41:16,970 --> 00:41:14,400
now I've heard a couple of different

897
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:16,980
things I've I've interviewed so many

898
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:21,119
people on the subject uh a specialist uh

899
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:24,000
intellectuals and and some say that

900
00:41:29,329 --> 00:41:26,400
around your feet

901
00:41:31,609 --> 00:41:29,339
right like the first two inches of

902
00:41:33,890 --> 00:41:31,619
atmosphere on the ground

903
00:41:34,990 --> 00:41:33,900
if you had to you could breathe that

904
00:41:40,609 --> 00:41:35,000
right

905
00:41:42,530 --> 00:41:40,619
well I I there is that excuse me for a

906
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:42,540
minute that's that's uh

907
00:41:50,030 --> 00:41:45,839
I I uh I'm a little skeptical of that

908
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:50,040
comment uh basically Mars has an

909
00:41:54,589 --> 00:41:52,079
atmosphere like Earth's atmosphere at

910
00:41:56,510 --> 00:41:54,599
about a hundred thousand feet so it's

911
00:41:59,630 --> 00:41:56,520
too thin to breathe without assistance

912
00:42:01,670 --> 00:41:59,640
however here's the really puzzling part

913
00:42:04,730 --> 00:42:01,680
and people have told me

914
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:04,740
usually in hush tones how puzzled they

915
00:42:10,910 --> 00:42:08,160
are apparently there's the the fourth

916
00:42:13,130 --> 00:42:10,920
most abundant uh molecule in the Mars

917
00:42:16,310 --> 00:42:13,140
atmosphere is oxygen

918
00:42:19,550 --> 00:42:16,320
and it varies by season in the summer

919
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:19,560
spring and summer it goes up and in this

920
00:42:22,849 --> 00:42:21,599
fall and winter it goes down that's

921
00:42:25,790 --> 00:42:22,859
plant life

922
00:42:27,290 --> 00:42:25,800
making and people said we don't

923
00:42:30,109 --> 00:42:27,300
understand why there should be so much

924
00:42:32,329 --> 00:42:30,119
oxygen so it but it actually looks as

925
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:32,339
though you could wear a compressor on

926
00:42:37,550 --> 00:42:35,280
your back instead of Tanks of oxygen

927
00:42:38,990 --> 00:42:37,560
could wear an electrically run

928
00:42:41,569 --> 00:42:39,000
compressor

929
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:41,579
and actually make enough oxygen you

930
00:42:48,050 --> 00:42:43,920
could breathe for weeks as long as your

931
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:48,060
batteries lasted right uh on on Mars so

932
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:50,640
you wouldn't uh you wouldn't be able to

933
00:42:56,030 --> 00:42:53,040
run out of oxygen and there's plenty of

934
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:56,040
water there uh it's I mean they found

935
00:43:00,829 --> 00:42:58,319
these craters on bars and they've blown

936
00:43:03,530 --> 00:43:00,839
out big chunks of ice there's if you go

937
00:43:05,809 --> 00:43:03,540
down about three feet

938
00:43:08,030 --> 00:43:05,819
um there's there's ice

939
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:08,040
under a lot of this uh place where it

940
00:43:12,829 --> 00:43:10,319
looks just like red dust there's ice

941
00:43:15,710 --> 00:43:12,839
underneath there used to be an ocean on

942
00:43:17,930 --> 00:43:15,720
the surface of Mars in fact

943
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:17,940
Jimmy you are talking to the person who

944
00:43:23,870 --> 00:43:20,640
discovered the Mars ocean just check it

945
00:43:26,750 --> 00:43:23,880
out on on Wikipedia I'm reference number

946
00:43:31,069 --> 00:43:26,760
one the Paleo ocean of Mars by

947
00:43:32,990 --> 00:43:31,079
Brandenburg I gave that paper in 1986 at

948
00:43:35,870 --> 00:43:33,000
a conference

949
00:43:38,750 --> 00:43:35,880
they picked up on it but because of my

950
00:43:41,210 --> 00:43:38,760
interest in the cydonia controvers face

951
00:43:43,609 --> 00:43:41,220
the side only the pyramid next to it

952
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:43,619
people won't give me any credit but

953
00:43:52,730 --> 00:43:50,329
we uh we understand I asked somebody

954
00:43:56,750 --> 00:43:52,740
why this was so

955
00:43:59,329 --> 00:43:56,760
he says his answer was I just play the

956
00:44:03,130 --> 00:43:59,339
piano in this whorehouse I don't know

957
00:44:12,829 --> 00:44:06,190
I've used that line many times

958
00:44:14,750 --> 00:44:12,839
I have too so okay so the the atmosphere

959
00:44:16,849 --> 00:44:14,760
I'm going to be in Peru in a couple of

960
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:16,859
months right sure you're going to go up

961
00:44:22,370 --> 00:44:18,960
to some high altitude I'm going to go up

962
00:44:25,010 --> 00:44:22,380
to 12 13 000 feet I've been I I've been

963
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,020
on the top of uh you know different

964
00:44:28,730 --> 00:44:26,880
mountains I've been up I'll be looking

965
00:44:31,069 --> 00:44:28,740
forward to watching you on a video link

966
00:44:33,290 --> 00:44:31,079
like this at 12 000 feet I'm not going

967
00:44:35,870 --> 00:44:33,300
up there myself so

968
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:35,880
and and everybody talks about and you

969
00:44:38,770 --> 00:44:37,920
you do feel the difference

970
00:44:42,170 --> 00:44:38,780
um

971
00:44:46,609 --> 00:44:42,180
I'm 16 now I wasn't affected by it when

972
00:44:50,329 --> 00:44:46,619
I was younger but you're a youngster but

973
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:50,339
um if if I'm at a hundred thousand feet

974
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:53,760
on earth right the atmosphere is too

975
00:44:57,770 --> 00:44:55,920
thin you're breathing but there's

976
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,780
nothing to breathe in there's nothing to

977
00:45:02,450 --> 00:44:59,760
breathe you your uh your blood would

978
00:45:07,550 --> 00:45:02,460
boil and freeze at the same time which

979
00:45:10,430 --> 00:45:07,560
is the same status as Mars but but the

980
00:45:13,490 --> 00:45:10,440
oxygen is there the nitrogen is there

981
00:45:15,710 --> 00:45:13,500
you just nitrogen oxygen right and

982
00:45:17,809 --> 00:45:15,720
mostly carbon dioxide but there's

983
00:45:20,450 --> 00:45:17,819
nitrogen and oxygen there you can grow

984
00:45:22,609 --> 00:45:20,460
plants if you just concentrate that

985
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,619
atmosphere with a compressor you can

986
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:24,000
breathe it

987
00:45:28,609 --> 00:45:26,400
and you can grow plants under it you can

988
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:28,619
have a dome you know plastic Dome and

989
00:45:33,890 --> 00:45:31,440
fill it with compressed atmosphere it

990
00:45:36,349 --> 00:45:33,900
it'll turn into uh you know a nice you

991
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:36,359
can grow grapes there you make wine so

992
00:45:43,069 --> 00:45:38,880
what's the problem why why have them no

993
00:45:44,510 --> 00:45:43,079
okay now in your

994
00:45:49,010 --> 00:45:44,520
um uh

995
00:45:50,589 --> 00:45:49,020
uh uh measurements of of Isotopes in the

996
00:45:54,170 --> 00:45:50,599
atmosphere

997
00:45:56,569 --> 00:45:54,180
now we're getting into that there has

998
00:45:58,670 --> 00:45:56,579
been a lot of well let's just call it

999
00:46:01,910 --> 00:45:58,680
science fiction for now but there's a

1000
00:46:04,370 --> 00:46:01,920
lot of information that is out there

1001
00:46:07,550 --> 00:46:04,380
um including you know like Zacharias

1002
00:46:10,130 --> 00:46:07,560
Hitchin yeah that talks about an ancient

1003
00:46:14,089 --> 00:46:10,140
civil that we're Martians

1004
00:46:16,430 --> 00:46:14,099
we're actually yeah well I you know

1005
00:46:20,270 --> 00:46:16,440
I'll be polite and to say I'm very

1006
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:20,280
skeptical of that opinion the stuff what

1007
00:46:25,250 --> 00:46:22,319
happened on Mars This thermonuclear

1008
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:25,260
Holocaust which is

1009
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:28,319
I I I didn't realize this myself but I

1010
00:46:31,730 --> 00:46:30,000
was work I spent 10 years working at

1011
00:46:33,950 --> 00:46:31,740
nuclear weapons labs

1012
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:33,960
I worked on control Fusion I didn't work

1013
00:46:38,210 --> 00:46:35,760
on nuclear weapons but I worked just

1014
00:46:42,109 --> 00:46:38,220
down the hall from people who did

1015
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:42,119
and it was a conversation in a library

1016
00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:43,920
where I was checking out books about

1017
00:46:47,630 --> 00:46:45,240
Mars

1018
00:46:51,170 --> 00:46:47,640
and you know in those days you didn't

1019
00:46:53,390 --> 00:46:51,180
download articles you gotta article from

1020
00:46:55,130 --> 00:46:53,400
a book and you were gonna got a Xerox

1021
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:55,140
this year is this lying to the Xerox

1022
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:57,359
machine so I'm standing next to this guy

1023
00:47:02,329 --> 00:46:59,760
at Sandia National Labs

1024
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:02,339
and he notices my book on Mars and he

1025
00:47:05,569 --> 00:47:03,359
says oh

1026
00:47:07,609 --> 00:47:05,579
what's so interesting about Mars and I

1027
00:47:09,710 --> 00:47:07,619
said well the Isotopes on Mars are

1028
00:47:12,970 --> 00:47:09,720
really weird and I showed him

1029
00:47:15,410 --> 00:47:12,980
pictures of the graphs of Isotopes

1030
00:47:17,690 --> 00:47:15,420
particularly for Xenon

1031
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:17,700
which is a very heavy you know they use

1032
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:19,920
in flash bulbs but it's inert gas it

1033
00:47:26,690 --> 00:47:23,280
doesn't compile anything and

1034
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:26,700
it has a very strong Peak at Xenon 129

1035
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:30,720
on Earth Xenon 129 abundance and Xenon

1036
00:47:37,790 --> 00:47:34,079
132 the most abundant to Isotopes

1037
00:47:39,530 --> 00:47:37,800
they're even but on Mars there's two and

1038
00:47:43,309 --> 00:47:39,540
a half times more

1039
00:47:46,490 --> 00:47:43,319
Xenon 129 then it's then there is Xenon

1040
00:47:49,010 --> 00:47:46,500
132 and the guy looked at that and he

1041
00:47:50,750 --> 00:47:49,020
said somebody nuked them

1042
00:47:53,390 --> 00:47:50,760
and I

1043
00:47:56,089 --> 00:47:53,400
he just looked at me he'd been smiling

1044
00:47:58,670 --> 00:47:56,099
and suddenly his flat smile was gone and

1045
00:48:02,089 --> 00:47:58,680
then he suddenly realized he was the

1046
00:48:04,490 --> 00:48:02,099
library which is unclassified area so he

1047
00:48:06,650 --> 00:48:04,500
said I'm sorry I have to go he sat down

1048
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:06,660
the book he was going to Xerox part of

1049
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:09,839
and left the library and I realized he

1050
00:48:14,270 --> 00:48:12,000
said something that

1051
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:14,280
uh he felt was classified in an

1052
00:48:18,349 --> 00:48:16,319
unclassified area

1053
00:48:20,690 --> 00:48:18,359
and I was used to that you know

1054
00:48:23,390 --> 00:48:20,700
sometimes this would happen and I kept

1055
00:48:25,730 --> 00:48:23,400
thinking what is it about this Xenon one

1056
00:48:27,050 --> 00:48:25,740
Center so I did some research and sure

1057
00:48:30,650 --> 00:48:27,060
enough

1058
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,660
the excess of xenon 129 is weapon

1059
00:48:37,970 --> 00:48:32,400
signature

1060
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:37,980
it's produced only two places we know of

1061
00:48:45,770 --> 00:48:42,079
one is supernovas star explodes

1062
00:48:48,349 --> 00:48:45,780
and the other is a thermonuclear weapon

1063
00:48:50,569 --> 00:48:48,359
a hydrogen bomb and we know that because

1064
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:50,579
we tested them on Earth and could sample

1065
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:54,000
the air I couldn't find

1066
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:54,720
um

1067
00:48:58,910 --> 00:48:57,359
the results of nuclear weapons tests in

1068
00:49:03,109 --> 00:48:58,920
the open literature but I did find

1069
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:03,119
studies of supernovas and I was I know

1070
00:49:07,550 --> 00:49:05,520
that they use the same computer codes to

1071
00:49:10,690 --> 00:49:07,560
study supernovas as they do to study

1072
00:49:13,309 --> 00:49:10,700
hydrogen bombs so because same physics

1073
00:49:16,609 --> 00:49:13,319
and so

1074
00:49:19,069 --> 00:49:16,619
then I checked these other isotopes

1075
00:49:21,950 --> 00:49:19,079
and apparently Not only was there's the

1076
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:21,960
Xenon produced but

1077
00:49:27,050 --> 00:49:24,720
the surface of Mars was bombarded with

1078
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:27,060
neutrons like a nuclear explosion like a

1079
00:49:31,970 --> 00:49:29,520
giant neutron bomb

1080
00:49:33,410 --> 00:49:31,980
so anyway I wrote that all up and I've

1081
00:49:34,970 --> 00:49:33,420
been presenting it at scientific

1082
00:49:37,870 --> 00:49:34,980
conferences

1083
00:49:41,809 --> 00:49:37,880
including ones put on by NASA

1084
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:41,819
and finally I put it in a book death on

1085
00:49:45,290 --> 00:49:42,960
Mars

1086
00:49:47,150 --> 00:49:45,300
and now I've gotten it accepted as a

1087
00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:47,160
scientific journal and it's supposed to

1088
00:49:50,809 --> 00:49:48,240
appear

1089
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:50,819
uh uh sometime soon

1090
00:49:56,109 --> 00:49:53,280
when it does I'll I'll make sure you

1091
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:56,119
know okay but

1092
00:50:02,030 --> 00:49:59,599
apparently there was just an enormous

1093
00:50:04,550 --> 00:50:02,040
thermonuclear Holocaust on Mars we're

1094
00:50:07,010 --> 00:50:04,560
talking bombs as big as the hydrogen as

1095
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:07,020
big as the Empire State Building dropped

1096
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:10,800
from space they went off in midair

1097
00:50:15,710 --> 00:50:13,680
the explosions happened in midair just

1098
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:15,720
like harobushima and Nagasaki you don't

1099
00:50:20,089 --> 00:50:18,480
find big craters at Hiroshima Nagasaki

1100
00:50:22,130 --> 00:50:20,099
because they said I'm off in mid-air to

1101
00:50:24,589 --> 00:50:22,140
cause more destruction that way

1102
00:50:27,950 --> 00:50:24,599
and so

1103
00:50:31,849 --> 00:50:27,960
I you know I presented this at numerous

1104
00:50:34,730 --> 00:50:31,859
meetings no one especially from we even

1105
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,740
asked one of the weapons labs to comment

1106
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on this

1107
00:50:42,349 --> 00:50:39,599
and they said no comment

1108
00:50:44,569 --> 00:50:42,359
so this is widely known apparently in

1109
00:50:46,910 --> 00:50:44,579
the nuclear weapons community that Mars

1110
00:50:49,790 --> 00:50:46,920
atmosphere is full of nuclear weapons

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00:50:54,770 --> 00:50:51,829
um and you can

1112
00:50:58,130 --> 00:50:54,780
like you know what c4 is plastic

1113
00:50:59,390 --> 00:50:58,140
explosive of course if you're sure if

1114
00:51:01,870 --> 00:50:59,400
you're short of firewood you can

1115
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:01,880
actually burn sticks of it like firewood

1116
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:04,559
and when you burn it it produces a

1117
00:51:08,089 --> 00:51:06,720
certain set of chemicals

1118
00:51:10,849 --> 00:51:08,099
uh

1119
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:10,859
but if you set it off it produces a

1120
00:51:14,450 --> 00:51:12,480
different set of chemicals and that's

1121
00:51:19,250 --> 00:51:14,460
what they can tell

1122
00:51:21,530 --> 00:51:19,260
something exploded on Mars and uh it's

1123
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:21,540
it's a sad Discovery but the important

1124
00:51:25,010 --> 00:51:22,800
thing is

1125
00:51:28,010 --> 00:51:25,020
and by the way this happened probably

1126
00:51:30,910 --> 00:51:28,020
about half a billion years ago can only

1127
00:51:33,530 --> 00:51:30,920
be vague you know

1128
00:51:35,210 --> 00:51:33,540
imprecisely and right after that the

1129
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:35,220
Mars atmosphere was mostly blown off

1130
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:37,200
into space Mars went into a deep freeze

1131
00:51:43,490 --> 00:51:40,559
we found two nuclear hot spots on Mars

1132
00:51:45,130 --> 00:51:43,500
where the detonations Apparently

1133
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:45,140
occurred

1134
00:51:50,569 --> 00:51:47,760
and the shock waves went all the way

1135
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:50,579
around the planet and apparently drove

1136
00:51:55,549 --> 00:51:53,520
most of Mars atmosphere into space Mars

1137
00:51:58,250 --> 00:51:55,559
started out being a planet like Earth

1138
00:52:03,049 --> 00:51:58,260
and ended up like it is now because of

1139
00:52:05,329 --> 00:52:03,059
this so this is a sad discovery

1140
00:52:08,049 --> 00:52:05,339
doesn't it does not look like it was a

1141
00:52:10,849 --> 00:52:08,059
natural event at all there is no known

1142
00:52:12,170 --> 00:52:10,859
natural thing that can do that to a

1143
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:12,180
planet

1144
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:15,920
it apparently is the result of

1145
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:18,800
intelligent activity ruthless

1146
00:52:27,230 --> 00:52:23,280
intelligent activity and so

1147
00:52:30,770 --> 00:52:27,240
I have reported that I mean

1148
00:52:32,329 --> 00:52:30,780
the agency I dealt with said we see no

1149
00:52:34,130 --> 00:52:32,339
reason this shouldn't be published and

1150
00:52:36,650 --> 00:52:34,140
they in fact basically urged me to

1151
00:52:38,410 --> 00:52:36,660
publish it in the open literature so I

1152
00:52:41,870 --> 00:52:38,420
have and

1153
00:52:43,549 --> 00:52:41,880
they want this to come out and

1154
00:52:45,890 --> 00:52:43,559
but NASA doesn't want to hear anything

1155
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:45,900
about it doesn't doesn't want to hear

1156
00:52:50,569 --> 00:52:48,240
about it it didn't happen

1157
00:52:52,370 --> 00:52:50,579
the Isotopes on Mars are just strange

1158
00:52:54,530 --> 00:52:52,380
they just say well it's they're strange

1159
00:52:56,990 --> 00:52:54,540
I said they're different than any other

1160
00:52:59,950 --> 00:52:57,000
planet in the solar system we don't care

1161
00:53:02,510 --> 00:52:59,960
they're just strange

1162
00:53:04,849 --> 00:53:02,520
but but the

1163
00:53:07,250 --> 00:53:04,859
um for them to make for anybody to make

1164
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:07,260
a comment like that

1165
00:53:13,870 --> 00:53:11,520
um when you're measuring what are the

1166
00:53:16,750 --> 00:53:13,880
basic what are measurements

1167
00:53:20,089 --> 00:53:16,760
John John

1168
00:53:21,890 --> 00:53:20,099
aside from uh

1169
00:53:25,970 --> 00:53:21,900
uh uh Xenon

1170
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:25,980
uh what are the other isotopes that are

1171
00:53:31,490 --> 00:53:27,599
used for measurement

1172
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:31,500
well what measures Xenon 129 is

1173
00:53:35,569 --> 00:53:33,119
generated

1174
00:53:37,210 --> 00:53:35,579
by a nuclear explosion

1175
00:53:44,510 --> 00:53:37,220
preferentially

1176
00:53:50,569 --> 00:53:47,809
and especially though a lot of the it

1177
00:53:52,849 --> 00:53:50,579
generates tends to generate more Xenon

1178
00:53:56,210 --> 00:53:52,859
than does krypton so Krypton is harder

1179
00:53:58,670 --> 00:53:56,220
to to find the what happens then

1180
00:54:01,730 --> 00:53:58,680
is when a hydrogen bomb goes off it

1181
00:54:05,089 --> 00:54:01,740
irradiates everything with neutrons

1182
00:54:07,970 --> 00:54:05,099
and that hits the rocks and converts uh

1183
00:54:11,210 --> 00:54:07,980
this one isotope called bromine 79

1184
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:11,220
bromine is like iodine or chlorine right

1185
00:54:17,089 --> 00:54:13,440
and it converts that to Krypton which

1186
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:17,099
then come Krypton 80. is hyperabundant

1187
00:54:23,210 --> 00:54:19,440
in the Mars atmosphere and that's a sign

1188
00:54:25,790 --> 00:54:23,220
not only that argon 40 another inert gas

1189
00:54:27,470 --> 00:54:25,800
the reason people like inert gases is

1190
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:27,480
they stay in the atmosphere they don't

1191
00:54:32,329 --> 00:54:29,520
react with the rocks or anything right

1192
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:32,339
they stay up in the atmosphere and then

1193
00:54:39,410 --> 00:54:36,240
nitrogen 15 is hyperabundant on bars

1194
00:54:42,829 --> 00:54:39,420
that's another result when they set up a

1195
00:54:45,170 --> 00:54:42,839
atomic bomb or a hydrogen bomb

1196
00:54:49,309 --> 00:54:45,180
it sends all these neutrons out into the

1197
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:49,319
sky the sky is full of of nitrogen

1198
00:54:54,589 --> 00:54:52,319
is nitrogen 14 it picks up a neutron

1199
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:54,599
becomes nitrogen 15 and emits a gamma

1200
00:54:59,150 --> 00:54:57,359
ray that gamma ray is more deadly than

1201
00:55:01,609 --> 00:54:59,160
the original

1202
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:01,619
gamma rays from the atomic bomb as it

1203
00:55:08,089 --> 00:55:06,000
turns out so and it so you can hide from

1204
00:55:10,130 --> 00:55:08,099
the nuclear blast and think you're

1205
00:55:12,770 --> 00:55:10,140
hiding from the gamma rays but the

1206
00:55:15,170 --> 00:55:12,780
atmosphere itself will radiate

1207
00:55:18,170 --> 00:55:15,180
gamma rays down on you because it's

1208
00:55:20,930 --> 00:55:18,180
making nitrogen 15. and nitrogen 15 is

1209
00:55:21,770 --> 00:55:20,940
hyperabundant on Mars also compared to

1210
00:55:25,370 --> 00:55:21,780
Earth

1211
00:55:28,430 --> 00:55:25,380
so we have a whole set of

1212
00:55:31,130 --> 00:55:28,440
and the two hot spots are radioactive

1213
00:55:32,690 --> 00:55:31,140
potassium and radioactive thorium both

1214
00:55:35,630 --> 00:55:32,700
of which

1215
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:35,640
potassium is formed by radiation of

1216
00:55:40,250 --> 00:55:37,680
neutrons on the soil

1217
00:55:43,069 --> 00:55:40,260
by a nuclear weapon and thorium is part

1218
00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:43,079
of nuclear weapons remember the big

1219
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:45,119
anti-missile Warhead they tested up in

1220
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:47,760
Alaska with amsatka that was full of

1221
00:55:52,609 --> 00:55:49,920
thorium that was thorium I remember that

1222
00:55:55,490 --> 00:55:52,619
yeah and they never explained why they

1223
00:55:57,530 --> 00:55:55,500
use thorium but I've done a little

1224
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:57,540
checking around yeah you can use thorium

1225
00:56:01,370 --> 00:55:59,520
and hydrogen what what you do when you

1226
00:56:04,370 --> 00:56:01,380
have a hydrogen bomb

1227
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:04,380
uh you have this is how the pros do it

1228
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:07,440
Jimmy this is how the pros do it talk to

1229
00:56:12,770 --> 00:56:10,079
me okay okay so they have an atomic bomb

1230
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,780
that's the Detonator it detonates the

1231
00:56:16,609 --> 00:56:14,400
hydrogen reaction

1232
00:56:18,770 --> 00:56:16,619
the atomic bomb goes off compresses a

1233
00:56:21,530 --> 00:56:18,780
bunch of hydrogen isotopes

1234
00:56:23,930 --> 00:56:21,540
and then that makes the hydrogen

1235
00:56:26,089 --> 00:56:23,940
reaction but that puts out an enormous

1236
00:56:28,569 --> 00:56:26,099
number of high energy neutrons what they

1237
00:56:32,690 --> 00:56:28,579
do then is they put a jacket of uranium

1238
00:56:34,190 --> 00:56:32,700
or thorium around it and it boosts it

1239
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:34,200
doubles the yield

1240
00:56:39,470 --> 00:56:36,240
it also makes an enormous amount of

1241
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:39,480
Fallout so your your hydrogen standard

1242
00:56:46,250 --> 00:56:42,319
hydrogen bomb in the stockpile

1243
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:46,260
is a triple action versus Atomic you

1244
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:48,480
know bomb setting off the hydrogen

1245
00:56:54,549 --> 00:56:51,119
reaction the hydrogen reaction then sets

1246
00:56:58,670 --> 00:56:54,559
off another fission reaction

1247
00:57:01,069 --> 00:56:58,680
and they can use thorium

1248
00:57:04,790 --> 00:57:01,079
or uranium

1249
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:04,800
and it doubles the yield of the hydrogen

1250
00:57:07,490 --> 00:57:05,760
bomb

1251
00:57:10,130 --> 00:57:07,500
and creates an enormous amount of

1252
00:57:13,089 --> 00:57:10,140
Fallout most of the Fallout is from that

1253
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:13,099
uh so anyway it's all pretty Dreadful

1254
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:15,839
and apparently

1255
00:57:25,790 --> 00:57:21,710
um this is a good time to take a break

1256
00:57:27,950 --> 00:57:25,800
because I'm about I'm about to sneeze we

1257
00:57:30,290 --> 00:57:27,960
will

1258
00:57:32,270 --> 00:57:30,300
that's a strange reaction to what I've

1259
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:32,280
just called you it's coming let me get

1260
00:57:36,290 --> 00:57:34,319
to this break absolutely better have a

1261
00:57:38,690 --> 00:57:36,300
good sneeze we'll see you in a few

1262
00:57:40,730 --> 00:57:38,700
minutes John Brandenburg is our guest

1263
00:57:41,569 --> 00:57:40,740
this is Fade to Black we'll be right

1264
00:57:43,370 --> 00:57:41,579
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1265
00:57:45,770 --> 00:57:43,380
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00:57:48,049 --> 00:57:45,780
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1359
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1360
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:43,319
John Brandenburg talking about life and

1361
01:01:49,730 --> 01:01:46,799
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1362
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1363
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um all of that and much more and uh John

1364
01:02:01,370 --> 01:01:56,880
I want to get back to

1365
01:02:04,309 --> 01:02:01,380
um the use of nuclear weapons on Mars

1366
01:02:08,750 --> 01:02:04,319
and your your estimate is about 500 000

1367
01:02:12,170 --> 01:02:08,760
years ago yes this is an estimate but

1368
01:02:16,490 --> 01:02:12,180
there are so there was a reason uh for

1369
01:02:19,270 --> 01:02:16,500
this so Mars was

1370
01:02:22,190 --> 01:02:19,280
um civilized right

1371
01:02:26,030 --> 01:02:22,200
it looks it it

1372
01:02:28,730 --> 01:02:26,040
this whoever did this

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01:02:30,170 --> 01:02:28,740
went to a great deal of trouble

1374
01:02:32,750 --> 01:02:30,180
and

1375
01:02:34,490 --> 01:02:32,760
to do you know if you're going to build

1376
01:02:36,410 --> 01:02:34,500
hydrogen bombs as big as the Empire

1377
01:02:38,510 --> 01:02:36,420
State Building and drop them from space

1378
01:02:40,670 --> 01:02:38,520
on the planet you probably better have a

1379
01:02:42,890 --> 01:02:40,680
really good reason to do it or at least

1380
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:42,900
in your own mind a good reason

1381
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:45,119
and it looks like it was targeted

1382
01:02:51,289 --> 01:02:47,280
because I was part of

1383
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:51,299
the original investigation of

1384
01:02:56,569 --> 01:02:54,480
the cydonia face and the pyramid there's

1385
01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:56,579
a pyramid right next to the face called

1386
01:03:03,049 --> 01:03:00,240
the DNM pyramid and we even found

1387
01:03:05,210 --> 01:03:03,059
another place on Mars where there are

1388
01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:05,220
two faces one of which looks just like

1389
01:03:12,049 --> 01:03:07,200
the one in the original

1390
01:03:15,109 --> 01:03:12,059
face on Mars so it looks like oh and the

1391
01:03:17,270 --> 01:03:15,119
two radioactive hot spots on Mars one is

1392
01:03:19,370 --> 01:03:17,280
near cydonia where they found the

1393
01:03:22,250 --> 01:03:19,380
original face and pyramid and the other

1394
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:22,260
one is near where these two faces are

1395
01:03:28,309 --> 01:03:24,960
in a place called galaxis chaos I didn't

1396
01:03:29,450 --> 01:03:28,319
pick the name NASA did it's uh crazy

1397
01:03:31,309 --> 01:03:29,460
name

1398
01:03:33,950 --> 01:03:31,319
and so

1399
01:03:37,490 --> 01:03:33,960
it looks like somebody

1400
01:03:40,670 --> 01:03:37,500
who was a very Advanced space power came

1401
01:03:43,970 --> 01:03:40,680
along and targeted what looks like a

1402
01:03:47,990 --> 01:03:43,980
rather primitive civilization on our

1403
01:03:52,670 --> 01:03:48,000
s and that's a sad thing to find uh

1404
01:03:55,549 --> 01:03:52,680
when I first realized this what I found

1405
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:55,559
and you know checked it out and tried to

1406
01:04:01,549 --> 01:03:58,799
verify it and I felt I had verified it

1407
01:04:03,289 --> 01:04:01,559
significant I I wept like a child for

1408
01:04:04,789 --> 01:04:03,299
about three minutes and then I got a

1409
01:04:06,770 --> 01:04:04,799
hold of myself

1410
01:04:09,289 --> 01:04:06,780
and said well you know we haven't proven

1411
01:04:10,370 --> 01:04:09,299
it yet it's just looks this is what it

1412
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:10,380
looks like

1413
01:04:14,690 --> 01:04:12,960
found a Smoking Gun and complete with

1414
01:04:19,789 --> 01:04:14,700
gun cartridges

1415
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:19,799
empty cartridges and a body and uh

1416
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:23,760
in our own Galactic backyard so to speak

1417
01:04:29,690 --> 01:04:25,680
the good thing

1418
01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:29,700
there's one really good thing about this

1419
01:04:36,230 --> 01:04:34,079
is we know now we know

1420
01:04:39,349 --> 01:04:36,240
we know something

1421
01:04:42,109 --> 01:04:39,359
because of Mars about the basic nature

1422
01:04:43,849 --> 01:04:42,119
of the universe that the universe is a

1423
01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:43,859
rough neighborhood

1424
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:46,559
just like a lot of us grew up in I grew

1425
01:04:52,010 --> 01:04:49,200
up in a rough town

1426
01:04:54,530 --> 01:04:52,020
in southern Oregon

1427
01:04:58,190 --> 01:04:54,540
and uh

1428
01:05:03,530 --> 01:05:00,770
there's a lot of good but there's also a

1429
01:05:05,030 --> 01:05:03,540
lot of evil and if you look out at the

1430
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:05,040
stars at night

1431
01:05:11,630 --> 01:05:09,119
Earth is not an aberration on the cosmos

1432
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:11,640
and that's what we found on Mars

1433
01:05:16,430 --> 01:05:14,880
and so we have to by the way we have to

1434
01:05:19,069 --> 01:05:16,440
go up there now

1435
01:05:21,650 --> 01:05:19,079
boots on the ground

1436
01:05:26,109 --> 01:05:21,660
find out what the hell happened as much

1437
01:05:34,730 --> 01:05:29,710
the um uh

1438
01:05:36,349 --> 01:05:34,740
one of the things that I have said over

1439
01:05:39,049 --> 01:05:36,359
the years

1440
01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:39,059
is when I look at the high resolution

1441
01:05:46,370 --> 01:05:43,200
images of Mars right and I have spent

1442
01:05:49,970 --> 01:05:46,380
not as much time as you but I spent a

1443
01:05:52,130 --> 01:05:49,980
lot of time in large cities and and

1444
01:05:56,289 --> 01:05:52,140
scanning and just looking just just

1445
01:05:59,710 --> 01:05:56,299
you're serving and and I gotta tell you

1446
01:06:02,109 --> 01:05:59,720
if I was there

1447
01:06:07,309 --> 01:06:02,119
specifically in a couple of these images

1448
01:06:09,770 --> 01:06:07,319
if I was like if I was like lost in the

1449
01:06:12,230 --> 01:06:09,780
desert without water right and I'm

1450
01:06:16,849 --> 01:06:12,240
walking across Mars

1451
01:06:21,710 --> 01:06:16,859
uh there are things that I can see that

1452
01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:21,720
I would walk to that look like it was it

1453
01:06:27,730 --> 01:06:24,480
was it's built there are just things I

1454
01:06:29,930 --> 01:06:27,740
know I know so when

1455
01:06:32,270 --> 01:06:29,940
NASA's attitude is who are you going to

1456
01:06:34,670 --> 01:06:32,280
believe us or Your Lying Eyes you know

1457
01:06:38,349 --> 01:06:34,680
right right right right right well okay

1458
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:38,359
but if we if if Elon Musk gets his way

1459
01:06:45,710 --> 01:06:42,960
right and and we have private missions

1460
01:06:47,630 --> 01:06:45,720
going to Mars this stuff is going to get

1461
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:47,640
discovered it's going to get found out

1462
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:51,119
anyway I I I think

1463
01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:52,559
were

1464
01:06:59,210 --> 01:06:55,440
people are realizing we're not alone in

1465
01:07:02,230 --> 01:06:59,220
the universe and I I have actually told

1466
01:07:05,150 --> 01:07:02,240
people in the government

1467
01:07:07,309 --> 01:07:05,160
and said look if we're gonna break it to

1468
01:07:08,329 --> 01:07:07,319
everybody that we're not alone in the

1469
01:07:11,450 --> 01:07:08,339
universe

1470
01:07:14,690 --> 01:07:11,460
Mars is the best play way to do it

1471
01:07:18,529 --> 01:07:14,700
because they're dead

1472
01:07:20,210 --> 01:07:18,539
I mean it's sad but Mars the people on

1473
01:07:25,250 --> 01:07:20,220
Mars

1474
01:07:27,710 --> 01:07:25,260
didn't have fangs they didn't have horns

1475
01:07:30,349 --> 01:07:27,720
on their heads they looked pretty much

1476
01:07:32,270 --> 01:07:30,359
like us apparently

1477
01:07:33,950 --> 01:07:32,280
they don't they don't by the way they

1478
01:07:35,870 --> 01:07:33,960
didn't look exactly like us they had

1479
01:07:39,410 --> 01:07:35,880
bigger noses apparently kind of hoggy

1480
01:07:40,789 --> 01:07:39,420
noses how do you know this oh just based

1481
01:07:41,809 --> 01:07:40,799
on looking at the pictures very

1482
01:07:43,609 --> 01:07:41,819
carefully

1483
01:07:46,250 --> 01:07:43,619
looks like they have more pronounced

1484
01:07:47,230 --> 01:07:46,260
nostrils than us I you know right we

1485
01:07:51,049 --> 01:07:47,240
don't know

1486
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:51,059
Mars

1487
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:54,480
all we have is just evidence for one

1488
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:56,720
scenario

1489
01:08:03,170 --> 01:08:00,720
looks like thermonuclear Holocaust that

1490
01:08:06,650 --> 01:08:03,180
is a solid scientific result in my

1491
01:08:09,770 --> 01:08:06,660
opinion did anybody and then and then it

1492
01:08:13,010 --> 01:08:09,780
looked like it was a targeted attack on

1493
01:08:17,689 --> 01:08:13,020
somebody who looks like they were like

1494
01:08:20,329 --> 01:08:17,699
Mayans or Old Kingdom Egypt right olmecs

1495
01:08:22,189 --> 01:08:20,339
the some of the the face of cydonia

1496
01:08:25,249 --> 01:08:22,199
actually looks like a very

1497
01:08:27,530 --> 01:08:25,259
a rendition of one of the Olmec heads

1498
01:08:32,749 --> 01:08:27,540
they found in Old Mexico

1499
01:08:35,870 --> 01:08:32,759
and the uh the face at uh skylaxis chaos

1500
01:08:39,229 --> 01:08:35,880
looks kind of like the Sphinx

1501
01:08:40,450 --> 01:08:39,239
and so I mean in terms of the helmet

1502
01:08:43,669 --> 01:08:40,460
around it

1503
01:08:45,950 --> 01:08:43,679
so but these don't look like Advanced

1504
01:08:50,630 --> 01:08:45,960
Signs of an advanced civilization at all

1505
01:08:52,610 --> 01:08:50,640
looks like it was Bronze Age at best

1506
01:08:55,789 --> 01:08:52,620
so that's what it makes it even more sad

1507
01:08:56,870 --> 01:08:55,799
but the important thing is we know it

1508
01:09:00,890 --> 01:08:56,880
now

1509
01:09:02,990 --> 01:09:00,900
we can make sure it doesn't happen here

1510
01:09:05,169 --> 01:09:03,000
but their forces loose in the universe

1511
01:09:10,910 --> 01:09:05,179
that would do stuff like this

1512
01:09:12,050 --> 01:09:10,920
how long would it take to make Mars

1513
01:09:16,729 --> 01:09:12,060
normal

1514
01:09:20,030 --> 01:09:16,739
and and and and now and and before you

1515
01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:20,040
can answer that question but but the

1516
01:09:29,829 --> 01:09:26,640
core is not moving it's stationary our

1517
01:09:32,570 --> 01:09:29,839
our chord is is well allegedly moving

1518
01:09:36,169 --> 01:09:32,580
China said it stopped a couple of months

1519
01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:40,789
um uh uh but but Mars is technically

1520
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:43,440
I I don't know I haven't been there I I

1521
01:09:49,130 --> 01:09:46,560
don't know but you know the reports are

1522
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:49,140
is that Mars

1523
01:09:53,689 --> 01:09:51,600
doesn't have any active geology you know

1524
01:09:56,990 --> 01:09:53,699
it's got big volcanoes but none of them

1525
01:10:00,229 --> 01:09:57,000
but I I think one of them may erupt have

1526
01:10:02,270 --> 01:10:00,239
erupted last year yeah we had NASA being

1527
01:10:04,610 --> 01:10:02,280
NASA right

1528
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:04,620
said well there's a weird Cloud coming

1529
01:10:10,189 --> 01:10:07,199
from this one volcano and it's

1530
01:10:12,830 --> 01:10:10,199
stretching 5 000 miles I wonder what it

1531
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:12,840
could be you know and you got all these

1532
01:10:16,430 --> 01:10:14,400
other volcanoes near it they're not

1533
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:16,440
making that kind of cloud and I realized

1534
01:10:23,209 --> 01:10:21,120
oh it erupted yeah yeah and and for some

1535
01:10:25,970 --> 01:10:23,219
reason NASA is afraid this will cause

1536
01:10:27,830 --> 01:10:25,980
panic in the streets people running down

1537
01:10:30,229 --> 01:10:27,840
the street screaming incoherently

1538
01:10:32,930 --> 01:10:30,239
tearing their clothes off if they reveal

1539
01:10:35,290 --> 01:10:32,940
that a volcano erupted on Mars

1540
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:35,300
it just doesn't

1541
01:10:41,270 --> 01:10:39,120
NASA's business is to say oh

1542
01:10:45,169 --> 01:10:41,280
we're not finding any there's no drama

1543
01:10:46,910 --> 01:10:45,179
on Mars no no no drama no

1544
01:10:50,209 --> 01:10:46,920
you know everything you said nice

1545
01:10:53,149 --> 01:10:50,219
scientific uh thing we can investigate

1546
01:10:54,669 --> 01:10:53,159
I I submitted an article by the way to a

1547
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:54,679
scientific journal

1548
01:11:00,130 --> 01:10:57,600
arguing circumstantially for lots of

1549
01:11:03,169 --> 01:11:00,140
life on the Mars past

1550
01:11:04,970 --> 01:11:03,179
and the reviewer

1551
01:11:07,729 --> 01:11:04,980
said

1552
01:11:09,410 --> 01:11:07,739
this is all speculation we're gonna if

1553
01:11:11,330 --> 01:11:09,420
anybody's gonna prove that there was

1554
01:11:14,750 --> 01:11:11,340
Life on Mars it's going to be us doing

1555
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:14,760
our Rover experiments and I realized how

1556
01:11:19,610 --> 01:11:17,520
long are they going to take to do that

1557
01:11:21,410 --> 01:11:19,620
they're going to take another 10 years

1558
01:11:23,570 --> 01:11:21,420
if we let them

1559
01:11:26,090 --> 01:11:23,580
you know because they're not they they

1560
01:11:28,910 --> 01:11:26,100
see no percentage in finding Life on

1561
01:11:31,370 --> 01:11:28,920
Mars or even an active volcano on Mars

1562
01:11:33,290 --> 01:11:31,380
anything that makes Mars look even more

1563
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:33,300
interesting than it does now

1564
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:36,000
means there'll be a man's Faith flights

1565
01:11:41,630 --> 01:11:39,600
to Mars and this will spoil this will

1566
01:11:45,150 --> 01:11:41,640
spoil everything at JPL their budget

1567
01:11:49,790 --> 01:11:46,510
[Music]

1568
01:11:51,669 --> 01:11:49,800
they just can't do it is it possible

1569
01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:51,679
that this

1570
01:11:57,050 --> 01:11:53,360
some

1571
01:12:00,530 --> 01:11:57,060
survived and were living underground and

1572
01:12:02,570 --> 01:12:00,540
maybe living underground now or do you

1573
01:12:04,729 --> 01:12:02,580
think I I

1574
01:12:07,070 --> 01:12:04,739
it doesn't seem likely this happened

1575
01:12:09,110 --> 01:12:07,080
half a billion years ago

1576
01:12:11,810 --> 01:12:09,120
it looks like it was a primitive

1577
01:12:14,810 --> 01:12:11,820
civilization you see no evidence of

1578
01:12:18,229 --> 01:12:14,820
airports or roads or looks like a bunch

1579
01:12:21,590 --> 01:12:18,239
of it's like pyramids giant carved heads

1580
01:12:23,630 --> 01:12:21,600
like the Sphinx and it looks like mesa's

1581
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:23,640
that had fortifications on them meaning

1582
01:12:29,270 --> 01:12:26,400
fortified High Ground this is this is

1583
01:12:33,410 --> 01:12:29,280
primitive kind of warfare

1584
01:12:36,110 --> 01:12:33,420
um so it just looks I mean I don't know

1585
01:12:38,570 --> 01:12:36,120
what the technological level was

1586
01:12:39,649 --> 01:12:38,580
we have to send astronauts up there to

1587
01:12:41,689 --> 01:12:39,659
dig

1588
01:12:45,950 --> 01:12:41,699
you're never you could drive Rovers

1589
01:12:48,410 --> 01:12:45,960
around cydonia or Galaxy's chaos for a

1590
01:12:51,770 --> 01:12:48,420
year and not find anything especially if

1591
01:12:55,070 --> 01:12:51,780
you weren't looking for anything right

1592
01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:55,080
well I mean after a half after 500

1593
01:13:03,169 --> 01:12:59,040
million years a half a billion years

1594
01:13:04,729 --> 01:13:03,179
um any evidence would be under under six

1595
01:13:06,590 --> 01:13:04,739
feet of ground and you got to have

1596
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:06,600
people with shovel if you ask any

1597
01:13:11,390 --> 01:13:09,360
archaeologist what's it like at an

1598
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:11,400
archaeological site he says this at dig

1599
01:13:16,270 --> 01:13:13,679
you have to dig down through the soil

1600
01:13:20,149 --> 01:13:16,280
and start sifting through defined pot

1601
01:13:22,669 --> 01:13:20,159
fragments and bronze tablets etc etc

1602
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:22,679
you've got to dig

1603
01:13:26,810 --> 01:13:24,960
and so it

1604
01:13:29,450 --> 01:13:26,820
um

1605
01:13:33,229 --> 01:13:29,460
I think we have to send people up there

1606
01:13:35,090 --> 01:13:33,239
for one thing the robotic people

1607
01:13:36,770 --> 01:13:35,100
aren't interested in finding a dead

1608
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:36,780
civilization on Mars they've been

1609
01:13:42,110 --> 01:13:39,840
covering it up now for

1610
01:13:44,270 --> 01:13:42,120
this these pictures were originally

1611
01:13:46,610 --> 01:13:44,280
taken that's that showed all of this

1612
01:13:49,790 --> 01:13:46,620
along with the um

1613
01:13:52,430 --> 01:13:49,800
the nuclear isotopes they were taken in

1614
01:13:54,830 --> 01:13:52,440
1977

1615
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:54,840
they are not interested in investigating

1616
01:13:58,370 --> 01:13:56,400
any of this stuff

1617
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:58,380
it's there are a bunch of

1618
01:14:04,850 --> 01:14:01,679
I'm sorry milk toasty academics

1619
01:14:06,590 --> 01:14:04,860
who like measuring Isotopes you know

1620
01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:06,600
departures per thousand

1621
01:14:10,370 --> 01:14:09,360
and they don't want any drama they don't

1622
01:14:11,630 --> 01:14:10,380
want

1623
01:14:16,970 --> 01:14:11,640
any

1624
01:14:18,950 --> 01:14:16,980
funding apple cart

1625
01:14:20,030 --> 01:14:18,960
they like things just the way they are

1626
01:14:22,430 --> 01:14:20,040
on Mars

1627
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:22,440
what about Mars you have to take Mars

1628
01:14:28,669 --> 01:14:24,960
away from them basically and just turn

1629
01:14:31,610 --> 01:14:28,679
it over the human beings uh I mean just

1630
01:14:33,229 --> 01:14:31,620
to be really nasty about this a lot of

1631
01:14:35,810 --> 01:14:33,239
the people who want to replace all the

1632
01:14:37,790 --> 01:14:35,820
astronauts with robots want to replace

1633
01:14:38,630 --> 01:14:37,800
the rest of the human race with robots

1634
01:14:41,930 --> 01:14:38,640
too

1635
01:14:44,209 --> 01:14:41,940
so you know it's the same mentality

1636
01:14:47,990 --> 01:14:44,219
so we human

1637
01:14:51,169 --> 01:14:48,000
it's up to human beings to explore Mars

1638
01:14:55,250 --> 01:14:51,179
what about glass

1639
01:14:59,870 --> 01:14:55,260
you know yeah yeah yeah any evidence of

1640
01:15:03,290 --> 01:14:59,880
that here on Earth that if you really

1641
01:15:05,689 --> 01:15:03,300
want to cause trouble or be called a

1642
01:15:09,050 --> 01:15:05,699
pseudoscientist a pseudo-researcher

1643
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:09,060
under a pseudonym right

1644
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:13,199
if you want to go there then then talk

1645
01:15:19,250 --> 01:15:17,280
about the evidence of a thermal nuclear

1646
01:15:20,689 --> 01:15:19,260
explosion here on Earth in the distant

1647
01:15:23,689 --> 01:15:20,699
past

1648
01:15:27,530 --> 01:15:23,699
um where we have evidence of this that

1649
01:15:30,410 --> 01:15:27,540
that is out there and that's that's the

1650
01:15:35,450 --> 01:15:30,420
quickest way to lose your job uh here

1651
01:15:39,169 --> 01:15:35,460
today well in Pakistan they have a site

1652
01:15:41,450 --> 01:15:39,179
called mahendodaro yep and it looks like

1653
01:15:42,729 --> 01:15:41,460
somebody nuked it because they have

1654
01:15:46,490 --> 01:15:42,739
always

1655
01:15:49,070 --> 01:15:46,500
unburied but they have this one place

1656
01:15:51,290 --> 01:15:49,080
where there's all these skeletons they

1657
01:15:55,669 --> 01:15:51,300
haven't been discerned if the bodies

1658
01:15:59,149 --> 01:15:55,679
fell and decayed in place they weren't

1659
01:16:01,490 --> 01:15:59,159
Savaged by vultures or you know wild

1660
01:16:02,930 --> 01:16:01,500
dogs or anything like that

1661
01:16:04,010 --> 01:16:02,940
and

1662
01:16:06,050 --> 01:16:04,020
um

1663
01:16:07,490 --> 01:16:06,060
this means they died of radiation

1664
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:07,500
apparently

1665
01:16:14,689 --> 01:16:11,520
and no living thing would go near them

1666
01:16:16,729 --> 01:16:14,699
and uh that's in Pakistan unfortunately

1667
01:16:18,950 --> 01:16:16,739
it's in the middle of Pakistan

1668
01:16:21,410 --> 01:16:18,960
and uh

1669
01:16:24,590 --> 01:16:21,420
the Pakistani government is very

1670
01:16:27,709 --> 01:16:24,600
sensitive about it but it looks like

1671
01:16:29,870 --> 01:16:27,719
it's it's mentioned in the Holy books of

1672
01:16:32,330 --> 01:16:29,880
the Hindus that there was this war

1673
01:16:33,649 --> 01:16:32,340
between two factions on Earth that were

1674
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:33,659
extraterrestrial

1675
01:16:39,050 --> 01:16:36,000
they had two a group that came down

1676
01:16:41,149 --> 01:16:39,060
apparently from the heavens gods

1677
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:41,159
split into two groups and the two groups

1678
01:16:46,370 --> 01:16:43,920
proceeded to have a

1679
01:16:49,330 --> 01:16:46,380
um a nuclear war

1680
01:16:51,530 --> 01:16:49,340
and this is why when um

1681
01:16:53,870 --> 01:16:51,540
Oppenheimer set off the first atomic

1682
01:16:55,790 --> 01:16:53,880
bomb his first comment was I have become

1683
01:16:57,970 --> 01:16:55,800
death the destroyer of worlds he's

1684
01:17:00,830 --> 01:16:57,980
quoting from the

1685
01:17:04,850 --> 01:17:00,840
which is the Hindu holy books

1686
01:17:07,729 --> 01:17:04,860
and now they found evidence of this and

1687
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:07,739
I don't know if they found actual atomic

1688
01:17:12,050 --> 01:17:09,840
glass called trinitite

1689
01:17:14,209 --> 01:17:12,060
but you find it at the nuclear test

1690
01:17:17,630 --> 01:17:14,219
sites that were open test site open-air

1691
01:17:21,110 --> 01:17:17,640
test sites it turns the top soil into

1692
01:17:24,169 --> 01:17:21,120
top of the soil into glass and we found

1693
01:17:27,110 --> 01:17:24,179
the places where the radioactive hot

1694
01:17:28,550 --> 01:17:27,120
spots on Mars are surrounded by fields

1695
01:17:31,610 --> 01:17:28,560
of glass

1696
01:17:33,649 --> 01:17:31,620
apparently etched by acid nitric acid is

1697
01:17:37,850 --> 01:17:33,659
what forms after a nuclear weapon goes

1698
01:17:40,910 --> 01:17:37,860
off it etches the at the glass so the

1699
01:17:43,070 --> 01:17:40,920
the most massive place where this is

1700
01:17:45,770 --> 01:17:43,080
found is near sidonium

1701
01:17:47,810 --> 01:17:45,780
we're right around the place where the

1702
01:17:50,990 --> 01:17:47,820
radioactive hotspot is apparently where

1703
01:17:55,070 --> 01:17:51,000
one of the one of the bombs went off

1704
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:55,080
so it's that's that was the final

1705
01:18:02,810 --> 01:17:59,040
uh piece of evidence and uh

1706
01:18:05,270 --> 01:18:02,820
it's it's Dreadful but now the important

1707
01:18:07,370 --> 01:18:05,280
thing is we know it now

1708
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:07,380
we know it

1709
01:18:12,910 --> 01:18:09,360
so we can make sure it doesn't happen

1710
01:18:19,390 --> 01:18:17,390
right so the two explosions

1711
01:18:22,610 --> 01:18:19,400
um on Mars

1712
01:18:25,610 --> 01:18:22,620
were big enough Empire State Building

1713
01:18:27,410 --> 01:18:25,620
size bomb uh yes it's pretty pretty damn

1714
01:18:30,430 --> 01:18:27,420
big to me

1715
01:18:33,290 --> 01:18:30,440
um and so that was big enough to do

1716
01:18:34,930 --> 01:18:33,300
uh all of the destruction blowing out

1717
01:18:38,689 --> 01:18:34,940
the atmosphere

1718
01:18:42,770 --> 01:18:38,699
the Dead Planet and of course leveling

1719
01:18:45,350 --> 01:18:42,780
the surface of Mars yes a few things uh

1720
01:18:48,110 --> 01:18:45,360
have survived but everything everything

1721
01:18:50,149 --> 01:18:48,120
else any evidence that would have been

1722
01:18:54,050 --> 01:18:50,159
there was leveled and then of course is

1723
01:18:56,750 --> 01:18:54,060
now covered with 500 million years of of

1724
01:18:59,510 --> 01:18:56,760
wind and doing dust yeah yeah and

1725
01:19:01,850 --> 01:18:59,520
blowing dust but Mars was put into a

1726
01:19:04,430 --> 01:19:01,860
deep freeze so it actually preserved a

1727
01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:04,440
lot of stuff that's why we can still see

1728
01:19:09,470 --> 01:19:06,960
it I mean when you find archeology on

1729
01:19:11,030 --> 01:19:09,480
earth like the Sphinx or the pyramids or

1730
01:19:13,610 --> 01:19:11,040
stuff down in central

1731
01:19:15,470 --> 01:19:13,620
if you see pictures of what it looked

1732
01:19:17,750 --> 01:19:15,480
like with the first time they dug it up

1733
01:19:21,110 --> 01:19:17,760
or found it or took pictures of it it

1734
01:19:22,790 --> 01:19:21,120
looks pretty rough the Egyptian tourist

1735
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:22,800
bureau has

1736
01:19:28,970 --> 01:19:25,920
put makeup on the Spanx to make it look

1737
01:19:31,390 --> 01:19:28,980
better it looked pretty bad

1738
01:19:34,010 --> 01:19:31,400
somebody in fact said the either the

1739
01:19:37,490 --> 01:19:34,020
Turks or the French shot its nose off

1740
01:19:39,169 --> 01:19:37,500
with a cannonball yeah Napoleon yeah I

1741
01:19:41,450 --> 01:19:39,179
think it was no they claim it was

1742
01:19:44,330 --> 01:19:41,460
Napoleon and then the Nepali the French

1743
01:19:45,530 --> 01:19:44,340
say oh no it was the Turks right right

1744
01:19:47,689 --> 01:19:45,540
right

1745
01:19:48,410 --> 01:19:47,699
so anyway

1746
01:19:52,250 --> 01:19:48,420
um

1747
01:19:56,570 --> 01:19:52,260
and you know the same processes that

1748
01:19:59,270 --> 01:19:56,580
allow life to exist human life like uh

1749
01:20:02,990 --> 01:19:59,280
make for erosion

1750
01:20:05,030 --> 01:20:03,000
and so all of the archeology we find

1751
01:20:06,590 --> 01:20:05,040
Earth is eroded

1752
01:20:07,550 --> 01:20:06,600
and

1753
01:20:10,550 --> 01:20:07,560
um

1754
01:20:12,890 --> 01:20:10,560
so the same thing would be true on Mars

1755
01:20:16,250 --> 01:20:12,900
the erosion happened much more slowly

1756
01:20:18,430 --> 01:20:16,260
with smaller with a tiny atmosphere and

1757
01:20:21,110 --> 01:20:18,440
the whole thing was in a deep freeze

1758
01:20:24,110 --> 01:20:21,120
uh so but

1759
01:20:26,510 --> 01:20:24,120
so the stuff on Mars is eroded but it is

1760
01:20:28,729 --> 01:20:26,520
archeology we've verified that with

1761
01:20:31,850 --> 01:20:28,739
pictures we found on the

1762
01:20:33,169 --> 01:20:31,860
DNM pyramid this is all in my book death

1763
01:20:35,930 --> 01:20:33,179
on Mars

1764
01:20:38,630 --> 01:20:35,940
uh there's a place where a bunch of a

1765
01:20:40,910 --> 01:20:38,640
square Place almost perfect square here

1766
01:20:44,090 --> 01:20:40,920
you've got an almost purific triangular

1767
01:20:45,950 --> 01:20:44,100
shape face on this pyramid and then in

1768
01:20:48,350 --> 01:20:45,960
the middle of it is a square where

1769
01:20:50,570 --> 01:20:48,360
apparently a bunch of bricks turn loose

1770
01:20:52,850 --> 01:20:50,580
the whole thing is faced with bricks and

1771
01:20:55,490 --> 01:20:52,860
some of the brick work came off and made

1772
01:20:57,709 --> 01:20:55,500
a landslide and left a perfectly square

1773
01:21:00,050 --> 01:20:57,719
space

1774
01:21:01,430 --> 01:21:00,060
um at least the square ends on the

1775
01:21:03,410 --> 01:21:01,440
bottom because that's where the debris

1776
01:21:06,189 --> 01:21:03,420
slid and

1777
01:21:09,890 --> 01:21:06,199
um you can find on the face

1778
01:21:14,330 --> 01:21:09,900
uh details on the helmet around the face

1779
01:21:17,689 --> 01:21:14,340
of cydonia and nostrils in the nose

1780
01:21:20,270 --> 01:21:17,699
it's got uh big nostrils

1781
01:21:23,090 --> 01:21:20,280
it looks like The Lion Man from Wizard

1782
01:21:27,169 --> 01:21:23,100
of Oz yeah a little bit yeah a little

1783
01:21:28,010 --> 01:21:27,179
bit I could I can see that why did

1784
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:28,020
um

1785
01:21:32,709 --> 01:21:28,800
yeah

1786
01:21:37,130 --> 01:21:32,719
why were all of the color pictures

1787
01:21:42,189 --> 01:21:37,140
published from Mars all have an orange

1788
01:21:44,930 --> 01:21:42,199
tent with an orange sky and now and now

1789
01:21:46,149 --> 01:21:44,940
we you know we're looking at this full

1790
01:21:50,450 --> 01:21:46,159
color stuff

1791
01:21:54,130 --> 01:21:50,460
I know I know it's I I you know I write

1792
01:21:56,930 --> 01:21:54,140
science fiction I have a man and a woman

1793
01:21:59,570 --> 01:21:56,940
they're part of he's a fighter pilot and

1794
01:22:01,490 --> 01:21:59,580
she's a reporter she wants to see get

1795
01:22:02,870 --> 01:22:01,500
close to the action when they invade the

1796
01:22:05,689 --> 01:22:02,880
humans

1797
01:22:08,149 --> 01:22:05,699
in my novel the UFO cover classes

1798
01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:08,159
triggers a war with the Grays and we

1799
01:22:12,290 --> 01:22:11,040
invade the moon we take the moon we land

1800
01:22:14,810 --> 01:22:12,300
on the front side of the moon and

1801
01:22:16,189 --> 01:22:14,820
Advance on ground and the the aliens

1802
01:22:18,530 --> 01:22:16,199
will short aliens they don't like

1803
01:22:20,570 --> 01:22:18,540
fighting humans on the ground so anyway

1804
01:22:22,790 --> 01:22:20,580
we take the moon and then they go up to

1805
01:22:25,669 --> 01:22:22,800
Mars and invade Mars to get there's an

1806
01:22:28,010 --> 01:22:25,679
alien base up there and they crash on

1807
01:22:31,130 --> 01:22:28,020
Mars by accident you know because they

1808
01:22:32,030 --> 01:22:31,140
got their craft got shot up in Mars

1809
01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:32,040
orbit

1810
01:22:37,250 --> 01:22:34,320
and they crash on Mars and the first

1811
01:22:39,950 --> 01:22:37,260
thing they do is lift the cockpit

1812
01:22:44,330 --> 01:22:39,960
and the woman in the back seat

1813
01:22:46,430 --> 01:22:44,340
says oh my God the sky it's blue

1814
01:22:49,010 --> 01:22:46,440
yes

1815
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:49,020
it says the UFO cover-up has now been

1816
01:22:55,610 --> 01:22:52,080
over with for five years but the Mars

1817
01:23:00,229 --> 01:22:55,620
cover-up still continues yeah right and

1818
01:23:02,630 --> 01:23:00,239
why why it's blue sky it can't be any

1819
01:23:05,270 --> 01:23:02,640
other color all right right it's very

1820
01:23:07,250 --> 01:23:05,280
blue and well it'll be it'll you'll

1821
01:23:09,890 --> 01:23:07,260
it'll be like at Sunset where you see a

1822
01:23:12,669 --> 01:23:09,900
dust a reddish dust if you're out in the

1823
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:12,679
desert you see radish reddish duster the

1824
01:23:18,649 --> 01:23:15,600
uh near the Horizon but if you look

1825
01:23:21,590 --> 01:23:18,659
straight up it's blue and the same thing

1826
01:23:23,930 --> 01:23:21,600
is not happening the Scott the the gases

1827
01:23:26,689 --> 01:23:23,940
that make up Mars atmosphere do not have

1828
01:23:29,149 --> 01:23:26,699
any color to them they're like Earth and

1829
01:23:31,370 --> 01:23:29,159
and what that happens is the sunlight

1830
01:23:33,070 --> 01:23:31,380
then scatters blue light so that's why

1831
01:23:35,870 --> 01:23:33,080
we have a blue sky

1832
01:23:38,209 --> 01:23:35,880
oxygen nitrogen all of these things they

1833
01:23:40,669 --> 01:23:38,219
don't have any color but they scatter

1834
01:23:42,590 --> 01:23:40,679
blue light more than red light so that's

1835
01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:42,600
why the sky is blue and the same thing

1836
01:23:47,750 --> 01:23:45,600
is true on Mars it has if you take by

1837
01:23:49,910 --> 01:23:47,760
the way if you take pictures if you look

1838
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:49,920
at Hubble pictures of Mars When it's

1839
01:23:55,729 --> 01:23:53,040
close by you'll see a blue sheen around

1840
01:23:58,910 --> 01:23:55,739
the edge of Mars that's the atmosphere

1841
01:24:01,130 --> 01:23:58,920
of Mars that's blue just like it is you

1842
01:24:03,709 --> 01:24:01,140
take if you took look at pictures of

1843
01:24:06,290 --> 01:24:03,719
Earth from space you'll see a blue sheen

1844
01:24:09,649 --> 01:24:06,300
around the earth that's the atmosphere

1845
01:24:11,870 --> 01:24:09,659
of Earth blue sky and if you take the

1846
01:24:15,410 --> 01:24:11,880
the Hubble telescope people never got

1847
01:24:17,870 --> 01:24:15,420
the memo from JPL that the sky on Mars

1848
01:24:20,209 --> 01:24:17,880
is supposed to be red so they they would

1849
01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:20,219
just publish what they took and it shows

1850
01:24:27,890 --> 01:24:24,000
a blue sheen around Mars so JPL has been

1851
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:27,900
making sure that the sky was red from

1852
01:24:33,649 --> 01:24:31,330
mars because they said so

1853
01:24:35,689 --> 01:24:33,659
[Laughter]

1854
01:24:38,090 --> 01:24:35,699
and they control and they control the

1855
01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:38,100
color tinting on all the fixtures so

1856
01:24:42,649 --> 01:24:39,600
they said

1857
01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:42,659
if we say the sky is red we're we're a

1858
01:24:46,910 --> 01:24:44,400
bunch of scientists and we say it's red

1859
01:24:48,590 --> 01:24:46,920
so you can't contradict this because we

1860
01:24:52,310 --> 01:24:48,600
control the pictures

1861
01:24:54,709 --> 01:24:52,320
now uh putting cedonia uh in the face on

1862
01:24:58,390 --> 01:24:54,719
Mars and the pyramid and the structures

1863
01:25:03,290 --> 01:24:58,400
there uh moving all of that to the side

1864
01:25:09,229 --> 01:25:03,300
yes what do you the other evidence

1865
01:25:13,209 --> 01:25:09,239
um uh that has been found uh by other

1866
01:25:17,689 --> 01:25:13,219
modern day sleuths right

1867
01:25:19,790 --> 01:25:17,699
are we imagining these things

1868
01:25:22,430 --> 01:25:19,800
um uh is it oh they found one picture

1869
01:25:24,830 --> 01:25:22,440
looks like a carving from the Aztecs

1870
01:25:27,169 --> 01:25:24,840
yeah I've seen I've seen that I've seen

1871
01:25:29,630 --> 01:25:27,179
that and that's Square teeth I mean we I

1872
01:25:31,750 --> 01:25:29,640
I found I as it's funny a lot of this

1873
01:25:36,169 --> 01:25:31,760
stuff resembles stuff from Old Mexico

1874
01:25:37,070 --> 01:25:36,179
very interesting olmecs Aztecs

1875
01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:37,080
um

1876
01:25:44,030 --> 01:25:41,760
so what about skeletons or no I haven't

1877
01:25:46,010 --> 01:25:44,040
I haven't well there's a lot of stuff

1878
01:25:49,070 --> 01:25:46,020
that looked like they were bones leg

1879
01:25:50,810 --> 01:25:49,080
bones but you know if there was a skull

1880
01:25:53,209 --> 01:25:50,820
found they didn't take a picture of it

1881
01:25:56,270 --> 01:25:53,219
or we didn't get to see it right right

1882
01:25:58,430 --> 01:25:56,280
all right could that have survived 500

1883
01:26:00,770 --> 01:25:58,440
million years though oh sure if it was

1884
01:26:03,229 --> 01:26:00,780
buried and then uh the like big

1885
01:26:04,850 --> 01:26:03,239
Windstorm uncovered it uh sure you could

1886
01:26:05,590 --> 01:26:04,860
get it

1887
01:26:09,290 --> 01:26:05,600
um

1888
01:26:11,930 --> 01:26:09,300
Mars is in a deep it's it's the the the

1889
01:26:14,689 --> 01:26:11,940
the temperature variations on Earth

1890
01:26:17,270 --> 01:26:14,699
combined with water that do a lot of

1891
01:26:19,970 --> 01:26:17,280
erosion freeze thaw Cycles you don't

1892
01:26:21,950 --> 01:26:19,980
have that on Mars you just have it's

1893
01:26:24,050 --> 01:26:21,960
just cold all the time

1894
01:26:26,209 --> 01:26:24,060
and you have very little atmosphere this

1895
01:26:29,090 --> 01:26:26,219
is there's no rain or snow or at least

1896
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:29,100
not very much and

1897
01:26:32,870 --> 01:26:29,760
um

1898
01:26:34,010 --> 01:26:32,880
so the erosion forces are much reduced

1899
01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:34,020
on Mars

1900
01:26:38,810 --> 01:26:36,000
uh they're still there but they're

1901
01:26:41,270 --> 01:26:38,820
they're reduced and um

1902
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:41,280
so it's a great place it'll be a great

1903
01:26:47,209 --> 01:26:43,920
place to be an archaeologist what about

1904
01:26:51,169 --> 01:26:47,219
what about the okay uh

1905
01:26:52,729 --> 01:26:51,179
what about the ice caps no oh oh I've

1906
01:26:55,550 --> 01:26:52,739
been Northern ice cap you know it's

1907
01:26:57,770 --> 01:26:55,560
three miles thick and it's waterized is

1908
01:27:00,470 --> 01:26:57,780
it water ice or is it like yes it is

1909
01:27:02,689 --> 01:27:00,480
it's water ice they they kept that from

1910
01:27:06,350 --> 01:27:02,699
us for a long time by the way why why

1911
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:06,360
why don't we have a Rover there

1912
01:27:18,770 --> 01:27:15,070
don't ask me to sit in a meeting at JPL

1913
01:27:20,870 --> 01:27:18,780
on you know they probably don't want to

1914
01:27:23,709 --> 01:27:20,880
have a Rover near the ice caps because

1915
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:23,719
they might find something yeah but but

1916
01:27:31,010 --> 01:27:27,120
why I I don't get when

1917
01:27:33,649 --> 01:27:31,020
um okay two two points that where I just

1918
01:27:37,189 --> 01:27:33,659
scratch my head when I think about these

1919
01:27:41,050 --> 01:27:37,199
design meetings uh and and Mission

1920
01:27:46,510 --> 01:27:41,060
meetings at Nasa number one

1921
01:27:49,250 --> 01:27:46,520
why haven't we put a Rover on the snow

1922
01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:49,260
why why haven't we done that number one

1923
01:27:56,450 --> 01:27:53,520
number two Ingenuity pretty badass right

1924
01:27:57,910 --> 01:27:56,460
we've got we've got a helicopter on Mars

1925
01:28:02,350 --> 01:27:57,920
that's pretty much

1926
01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:02,360
without a camera on it everything

1927
01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:07,920
every drone that you can buy for 19 at

1928
01:28:14,870 --> 01:28:10,560
Target has a

1929
01:28:18,250 --> 01:28:14,880
and and I I just I I do that part it it

1930
01:28:21,770 --> 01:28:18,260
doesn't make any sense to me unless

1931
01:28:23,750 --> 01:28:21,780
right and uh now I know that we've

1932
01:28:25,610 --> 01:28:23,760
started I might have a camera on it but

1933
01:28:28,209 --> 01:28:25,620
the camera may be owned by a different

1934
01:28:33,890 --> 01:28:28,219
agency you know what I mean

1935
01:28:35,810 --> 01:28:33,900
no camera on the Drone who that

1936
01:28:39,530 --> 01:28:35,820
plot one of want to fly they're throwing

1937
01:28:41,390 --> 01:28:39,540
around and take a picture of the Rovers

1938
01:28:47,169 --> 01:28:41,400
that wasn't that priority number one

1939
01:28:51,290 --> 01:28:47,179
right okay drone yeah video live feed 4K

1940
01:28:53,689 --> 01:28:51,300
those cameras are this big I know look

1941
01:28:57,830 --> 01:28:53,699
at the cameras on our little on our

1942
01:29:00,709 --> 01:28:57,840
phones yeah yeah same thing same thing I

1943
01:29:03,590 --> 01:29:00,719
would weigh one gram one gram better

1944
01:29:06,310 --> 01:29:03,600
than that when Avi lobe designed you

1945
01:29:09,530 --> 01:29:06,320
know his his trip to

1946
01:29:12,890 --> 01:29:09,540
uh uh Alpha Centauri

1947
01:29:14,870 --> 01:29:12,900
um I was sitting and talking uh with Avi

1948
01:29:18,649 --> 01:29:14,880
um this is in person right great guy

1949
01:29:20,090 --> 01:29:18,659
great guy Brave guy awesome guy he goes

1950
01:29:23,149 --> 01:29:20,100
Jimmy

1951
01:29:27,470 --> 01:29:23,159
the technology for the satellites to to

1952
01:29:31,970 --> 01:29:27,480
go to Proxima are off-the-shelf cell

1953
01:29:34,970 --> 01:29:31,980
phone parts yes and I was just like yeah

1954
01:29:37,370 --> 01:29:34,980
exactly it goes in for some reason it

1955
01:29:38,890 --> 01:29:37,380
gets complicated with this you know it's

1956
01:29:41,149 --> 01:29:38,900
very simple

1957
01:29:45,890 --> 01:29:41,159
and you make these tiny little

1958
01:29:49,250 --> 01:29:45,900
satellites that weigh a gram put a big

1959
01:29:51,530 --> 01:29:49,260
and and and and yet we can't get it done

1960
01:29:53,209 --> 01:29:51,540
at JPL

1961
01:29:55,910 --> 01:29:53,219
um we can't we can't put a life

1962
01:29:58,310 --> 01:29:55,920
experiment on on any of the Rovers

1963
01:30:01,189 --> 01:29:58,320
because that would they might not like

1964
01:30:02,570 --> 01:30:01,199
the results you know

1965
01:30:04,370 --> 01:30:02,580
then they'd be fighting with Houston

1966
01:30:05,930 --> 01:30:04,380
again over money

1967
01:30:08,530 --> 01:30:05,940
they want that

1968
01:30:13,850 --> 01:30:10,629
so weird

1969
01:30:16,610 --> 01:30:13,860
where do you think all of this is going

1970
01:30:19,790 --> 01:30:16,620
um well there's gonna be a big reset and

1971
01:30:21,410 --> 01:30:19,800
the the right the first copernican

1972
01:30:23,030 --> 01:30:21,420
Revolution

1973
01:30:28,490 --> 01:30:23,040
was

1974
01:30:30,229 --> 01:30:28,500
at the geometric center of the universe

1975
01:30:33,169 --> 01:30:30,239
we thought the entire universe was

1976
01:30:36,050 --> 01:30:33,179
centered around us right and then we

1977
01:30:40,250 --> 01:30:36,060
found out no no it's it doesn't have a

1978
01:30:41,930 --> 01:30:40,260
center and we're we orbit the Sun and uh

1979
01:30:44,629 --> 01:30:41,940
along with the other planets we're

1980
01:30:45,709 --> 01:30:44,639
nothing special and this offended the

1981
01:30:48,950 --> 01:30:45,719
church

1982
01:30:50,990 --> 01:30:48,960
know

1983
01:30:52,729 --> 01:30:51,000
in charge of the center of the universe

1984
01:30:55,850 --> 01:30:52,739
to not be

1985
01:30:58,550 --> 01:30:55,860
being in charge of you know just a

1986
01:31:00,950 --> 01:30:58,560
planet and they didn't like it so they

1987
01:31:03,770 --> 01:31:00,960
he made sure he was dead when the book

1988
01:31:07,010 --> 01:31:03,780
got published so then Kepler figured out

1989
01:31:10,910 --> 01:31:07,020
all the laws of planetary motion and

1990
01:31:12,950 --> 01:31:10,920
then Newton took Kepler's work and

1991
01:31:17,750 --> 01:31:12,960
turned it into the law of gravity and

1992
01:31:20,330 --> 01:31:17,760
the calculus and uh the um

1993
01:31:22,550 --> 01:31:20,340
Laws of Motion he he revolutionized

1994
01:31:25,010 --> 01:31:22,560
physics so it began with the copernican

1995
01:31:28,010 --> 01:31:25,020
book by Copernicus the copernican

1996
01:31:29,689 --> 01:31:28,020
Revolution and uh and by the way that

1997
01:31:32,209 --> 01:31:29,699
was a lot of it was based on the planet

1998
01:31:33,229 --> 01:31:32,219
Mars because Mars was the brightest

1999
01:31:36,050 --> 01:31:33,239
object

2000
01:31:38,090 --> 01:31:36,060
that was outside the Earth in its orbit

2001
01:31:40,310 --> 01:31:38,100
so but anyway so that was the first

2002
01:31:42,350 --> 01:31:40,320
copernican Revolution the second

2003
01:31:44,390 --> 01:31:42,360
copartican revolution which we're

2004
01:31:46,430 --> 01:31:44,400
starting to go through now

2005
01:31:51,350 --> 01:31:46,440
we think we're the center of the

2006
01:31:55,310 --> 01:31:51,360
biological Universe Jimmy and we're not

2007
01:31:59,810 --> 01:31:55,320
we're nothing special there either

2008
01:32:02,390 --> 01:31:59,820
we're just part of one we're one living

2009
01:32:05,050 --> 01:32:02,400
species thinking species

2010
01:32:08,090 --> 01:32:05,060
in a in a universe full of people

2011
01:32:10,790 --> 01:32:08,100
unfortunately and

2012
01:32:14,209 --> 01:32:10,800
they had one of the heroines in my novel

2013
01:32:17,270 --> 01:32:14,219
finds out she was in a UFO abductee

2014
01:32:19,250 --> 01:32:17,280
and she says

2015
01:32:21,410 --> 01:32:19,260
I've met these people from outer space

2016
01:32:24,050 --> 01:32:21,420
she's saying this in an interview she

2017
01:32:26,750 --> 01:32:24,060
says the good news

2018
01:32:29,510 --> 01:32:26,760
is there a Lot Like Us

2019
01:32:31,930 --> 01:32:29,520
and then she says and the bad news is

2020
01:32:36,110 --> 01:32:31,940
that they're a lot like us

2021
01:32:39,649 --> 01:32:36,120
yeah it's true and so we share the

2022
01:32:41,629 --> 01:32:39,659
universe with people of like passions as

2023
01:32:45,229 --> 01:32:41,639
ourselves

2024
01:32:48,050 --> 01:32:45,239
somebody nuked Mars basically to make an

2025
01:32:49,910 --> 01:32:48,060
example out of it I guess I you know who

2026
01:32:51,590 --> 01:32:49,920
knows what the scenario was it doesn't

2027
01:32:53,930 --> 01:32:51,600
look like they did it because they were

2028
01:32:55,669 --> 01:32:53,940
threatened by Mars it looks like they

2029
01:32:57,709 --> 01:32:55,679
wanted to make an example out of ours

2030
01:32:58,790 --> 01:32:57,719
like Genghis Khan making pyramids of

2031
01:33:00,950 --> 01:32:58,800
heads

2032
01:33:03,590 --> 01:33:00,960
but but

2033
01:33:06,229 --> 01:33:03,600
you have to understand

2034
01:33:08,870 --> 01:33:06,239
we are ready to discover this that we

2035
01:33:10,189 --> 01:33:08,880
are not the center of the biological

2036
01:33:12,110 --> 01:33:10,199
universe

2037
01:33:15,110 --> 01:33:12,120
that when you go out and look at the

2038
01:33:18,530 --> 01:33:15,120
stars at night some of them are looking

2039
01:33:21,410 --> 01:33:18,540
back at it wave

2040
01:33:23,149 --> 01:33:21,420
we found out almost every star in the

2041
01:33:26,770 --> 01:33:23,159
sky has planets

2042
01:33:30,110 --> 01:33:26,780
around it and

2043
01:33:33,229 --> 01:33:30,120
some of those planets are very similar

2044
01:33:35,870 --> 01:33:33,239
to Earth we have it's a numbers game

2045
01:33:38,510 --> 01:33:35,880
John and today it's a numbers game it's

2046
01:33:40,270 --> 01:33:38,520
a numbers game you know uh just our

2047
01:33:42,709 --> 01:33:40,280
Milky Way

2048
01:33:45,890 --> 01:33:42,719
We were talking about Avi lobe right

2049
01:33:48,950 --> 01:33:45,900
okay so yeah let's talk about more you

2050
01:33:51,290 --> 01:33:48,960
can talk about more in all you like

2051
01:33:53,270 --> 01:33:51,300
this fellow well so he said he he's

2052
01:33:55,370 --> 01:33:53,280
sitting next he's got real cojones you

2053
01:33:56,890 --> 01:33:55,380
know that yes he does and we're we're

2054
01:34:00,890 --> 01:33:56,900
eating dinner

2055
01:34:03,649 --> 01:34:00,900
and and I turned to Avi and I said you

2056
01:34:06,530 --> 01:34:03,659
know what do you think man 40 billion

2057
01:34:09,350 --> 01:34:06,540
Earth-like planets I said that's a lot

2058
01:34:12,189 --> 01:34:09,360
in the milk he goes no no no no no no a

2059
01:34:17,090 --> 01:34:14,870
and I go what it goes to me it's

2060
01:34:20,990 --> 01:34:17,100
probably more than that

2061
01:34:23,750 --> 01:34:21,000
oh oh yeah and it's just our Milky Way

2062
01:34:26,530 --> 01:34:23,760
and our Milky Way is just a teeny little

2063
01:34:29,149 --> 01:34:26,540
speck of everything else

2064
01:34:31,850 --> 01:34:29,159
it's a numbers game it's just enough I

2065
01:34:35,510 --> 01:34:31,860
used to teach astronomy at a at a

2066
01:34:37,970 --> 01:34:35,520
college a state college in Wisconsin and

2067
01:34:40,610 --> 01:34:37,980
I would show pictures people pictures

2068
01:34:41,950 --> 01:34:40,620
from the uh Hubble Telescope of what's

2069
01:34:45,410 --> 01:34:41,960
called Deep Field

2070
01:34:48,290 --> 01:34:45,420
galaxies like snowflakes in a snowstorm

2071
01:34:51,410 --> 01:34:48,300
something we know about in Wisconsin

2072
01:34:54,169 --> 01:34:51,420
and I said to the students I'd say

2073
01:34:56,629 --> 01:34:54,179
imagine you were Emperor or Empress of

2074
01:34:58,610 --> 01:34:56,639
one of these galaxies wouldn't that make

2075
01:35:01,610 --> 01:34:58,620
you important though

2076
01:35:04,930 --> 01:35:01,620
meaning even if you were a ruler of a

2077
01:35:10,010 --> 01:35:04,940
galaxy it'd be nothing and nothing

2078
01:35:14,030 --> 01:35:10,020
it would be nothing and uh when when the

2079
01:35:16,490 --> 01:35:14,040
original uh when those Revelations talk

2080
01:35:19,189 --> 01:35:16,500
about the Kepler Revelation right yeah

2081
01:35:24,169 --> 01:35:19,199
absolutely the Hubble Revelation and

2082
01:35:27,050 --> 01:35:24,179
yeah there's there was two one was in

2083
01:35:29,870 --> 01:35:27,060
1922 when Edwin Hubble discovered the

2084
01:35:32,990 --> 01:35:29,880
expanding Universe the universe that it

2085
01:35:35,990 --> 01:35:33,000
wasn't static see I sound smart I'm just

2086
01:35:39,050 --> 01:35:36,000
smart on TV you're a smart guy Jimmy but

2087
01:35:41,689 --> 01:35:39,060
but but there's that and then but the

2088
01:35:45,830 --> 01:35:41,699
second one though was the Hubble Deep

2089
01:35:48,709 --> 01:35:45,840
Field because before that where we're

2090
01:35:52,550 --> 01:35:48,719
using earth-based telescopes and things

2091
01:35:55,010 --> 01:35:52,560
look cool and and but we thought all

2092
01:35:57,470 --> 01:35:55,020
those galaxies were stars

2093
01:35:59,870 --> 01:35:57,480
that's what we thought we really thought

2094
01:36:05,270 --> 01:35:59,880
that and then so the Deep Field comes

2095
01:36:07,930 --> 01:36:05,280
out and when when they chose the spot

2096
01:36:11,030 --> 01:36:07,940
for the Deep Field which was a two-week

2097
01:36:15,110 --> 01:36:11,040
exposure right they took the emptiest

2098
01:36:18,050 --> 01:36:15,120
spot in space right oh no kidding the

2099
01:36:20,570 --> 01:36:18,060
emptiest spot in space focused on that

2100
01:36:22,250 --> 01:36:20,580
and did a two-week exposure blew that up

2101
01:36:27,470 --> 01:36:22,260
and then and we had the Hubble Deep

2102
01:36:32,330 --> 01:36:27,480
Field image which contained an infinite

2103
01:36:34,490 --> 01:36:32,340
amount of galaxies yes it did we thought

2104
01:36:38,030 --> 01:36:34,500
we thought they were it was just Stars

2105
01:36:39,830 --> 01:36:38,040
no no no no no no no no all those little

2106
01:36:41,870 --> 01:36:39,840
lights

2107
01:36:45,470 --> 01:36:41,880
were galaxies

2108
01:36:48,709 --> 01:36:45,480
yeah and it's it's the most mind-blowing

2109
01:36:51,350 --> 01:36:48,719
thing and and and now we get back into

2110
01:36:54,350 --> 01:36:51,360
that numbers game where each one of

2111
01:36:56,810 --> 01:36:54,360
those has a trillion stars and each one

2112
01:36:59,090 --> 01:36:56,820
of those has uh at least a trillion

2113
01:37:01,370 --> 01:36:59,100
planets that's right they got more

2114
01:37:03,470 --> 01:37:01,380
planets out there than Stars the more

2115
01:37:06,290 --> 01:37:03,480
planets than Stars

2116
01:37:09,410 --> 01:37:06,300
it's it's and and and and and and and

2117
01:37:12,590 --> 01:37:09,420
and somebody wants to say that we may be

2118
01:37:18,770 --> 01:37:15,830
ah yeah it drives me crazy it drives me

2119
01:37:20,390 --> 01:37:18,780
crazy well it didn't

2120
01:37:22,070 --> 01:37:20,400
you crazy and

2121
01:37:24,649 --> 01:37:22,080
people think the Catholic Church

2122
01:37:27,649 --> 01:37:24,659
invented you know the Earth as the

2123
01:37:29,510 --> 01:37:27,659
center of the universe idea no the

2124
01:37:31,669 --> 01:37:29,520
ancient there was a guy named

2125
01:37:33,590 --> 01:37:31,679
aristarchus

2126
01:37:35,689 --> 01:37:33,600
very interesting character he figured

2127
01:37:37,970 --> 01:37:35,699
out the whole universe he figured out

2128
01:37:40,729 --> 01:37:37,980
the Earth orbit of the Sun how far the

2129
01:37:43,490 --> 01:37:40,739
moon was away the size of the sun size

2130
01:37:46,070 --> 01:37:43,500
of the Earth he figured out the planets

2131
01:37:47,030 --> 01:37:46,080
all orbit of the Sun and he said the

2132
01:37:49,910 --> 01:37:47,040
Stars

2133
01:37:51,649 --> 01:37:49,920
are actually other sons that were are

2134
01:37:54,649 --> 01:37:51,659
far away and they have planets around

2135
01:37:56,570 --> 01:37:54,659
them and he got arrested this is an

2136
01:37:59,990 --> 01:37:56,580
ancient Athens

2137
01:38:02,570 --> 01:38:00,000
and the people who had him arrested were

2138
01:38:04,970 --> 01:38:02,580
the priests from the Temple of Jupiter

2139
01:38:06,950 --> 01:38:04,980
and the Temple of Mars

2140
01:38:10,430 --> 01:38:06,960
they didn't like him talking like this

2141
01:38:12,709 --> 01:38:10,440
so they had him locked up so the the guy

2142
01:38:16,430 --> 01:38:12,719
who was running Athens at the time

2143
01:38:18,410 --> 01:38:16,440
Pericles had to go down to jail get him

2144
01:38:21,950 --> 01:38:18,420
at get him out and get him on the next

2145
01:38:25,070 --> 01:38:21,960
boat out of the harbor to save his life

2146
01:38:28,610 --> 01:38:25,080
so the there's the powers that be like

2147
01:38:32,330 --> 01:38:28,620
the idea that you know we this is it on

2148
01:38:35,330 --> 01:38:32,340
Earth that they run it and uh

2149
01:38:37,250 --> 01:38:35,340
uh you know it doesn't matter if it's

2150
01:38:39,709 --> 01:38:37,260
the center of the geometric universe or

2151
01:38:42,350 --> 01:38:39,719
the set or where the they they run the

2152
01:38:44,750 --> 01:38:42,360
only Oasis in the entire desert that is

2153
01:38:46,610 --> 01:38:44,760
the rest of the universe that's the way

2154
01:38:49,370 --> 01:38:46,620
they like it it makes them feel really

2155
01:38:51,649 --> 01:38:49,380
important and we're going to get rid of

2156
01:38:53,270 --> 01:38:51,659
that

2157
01:38:56,750 --> 01:38:53,280
um I will

2158
01:38:59,450 --> 01:38:56,760
mention one thing also I don't know

2159
01:39:02,810 --> 01:38:59,460
where you want to go with this but

2160
01:39:04,790 --> 01:39:02,820
I was raised as a Fundamentalist

2161
01:39:06,590 --> 01:39:04,800
and we were told there was no

2162
01:39:09,310 --> 01:39:06,600
extraterrestrial life I remember hearing

2163
01:39:12,649 --> 01:39:09,320
it three times from a sermon

2164
01:39:16,010 --> 01:39:12,659
because it would forbid it's it it

2165
01:39:18,649 --> 01:39:16,020
doesn't ever mention in the Bible

2166
01:39:21,290 --> 01:39:18,659
I'm just an Episcopalian now I mean you

2167
01:39:24,950 --> 01:39:21,300
know it's called Christianity and it's

2168
01:39:27,470 --> 01:39:24,960
mild as form anyway so

2169
01:39:29,810 --> 01:39:27,480
finally I started studying the Bible the

2170
01:39:32,270 --> 01:39:29,820
same way I studied physics

2171
01:39:35,030 --> 01:39:32,280
the original Bible especially the old

2172
01:39:38,149 --> 01:39:35,040
the New Testament is written in Greek

2173
01:39:40,550 --> 01:39:38,159
and when it says for God so loved the

2174
01:39:41,870 --> 01:39:40,560
world he gave his only begotten son that

2175
01:39:44,510 --> 01:39:41,880
that verse

2176
01:39:47,050 --> 01:39:44,520
the word that is translated into English

2177
01:39:48,709 --> 01:39:47,060
is the Greek word

2178
01:39:52,129 --> 01:39:48,719
Cosmos

2179
01:39:54,950 --> 01:39:52,139
it means everything it means exactly

2180
01:39:56,870 --> 01:39:54,960
what it means now in English that it

2181
01:39:59,330 --> 01:39:56,880
meant to the ancient Greeks the entire

2182
01:40:01,430 --> 01:39:59,340
universe when Jesus says to his

2183
01:40:04,129 --> 01:40:01,440
disciples go out into all the world and

2184
01:40:07,430 --> 01:40:04,139
preach the gospel to every creature

2185
01:40:09,830 --> 01:40:07,440
he's saying go out into all the cosmos

2186
01:40:12,050 --> 01:40:09,840
and preach the gospel to Every Creature

2187
01:40:15,550 --> 01:40:12,060
that's what it says in the Greek

2188
01:40:19,189 --> 01:40:15,560
so this idea that

2189
01:40:19,910 --> 01:40:19,199
extraterrestrial life will

2190
01:40:22,850 --> 01:40:19,920
um

2191
01:40:25,610 --> 01:40:22,860
just overwhelm you know to make

2192
01:40:27,709 --> 01:40:25,620
invalidate the Bible the people who say

2193
01:40:29,689 --> 01:40:27,719
that

2194
01:40:32,149 --> 01:40:29,699
their knowledge of what the Bible

2195
01:40:33,890 --> 01:40:32,159
actually says if it were gunpowder they

2196
01:40:34,850 --> 01:40:33,900
wouldn't have enough to blow their hats

2197
01:40:36,350 --> 01:40:34,860
off

2198
01:40:39,590 --> 01:40:36,360
I'm sorry

2199
01:40:44,570 --> 01:40:39,600
usually atheists are very prone to say

2200
01:40:47,450 --> 01:40:44,580
things like that the Bible is a cosmic

2201
01:40:50,209 --> 01:40:47,460
document I even wrote a book called

2202
01:40:53,870 --> 01:40:50,219
Cosmic Jesus which people can

2203
01:40:55,790 --> 01:40:53,880
can buy and it explains all of this and

2204
01:40:58,010 --> 01:40:55,800
the only problem with that the

2205
01:41:00,830 --> 01:40:58,020
fundamentalists saw the title Cosmic

2206
01:41:03,890 --> 01:41:00,840
Jesus they didn't want to read it

2207
01:41:05,330 --> 01:41:03,900
endless real scientific people who were

2208
01:41:07,390 --> 01:41:05,340
atheists they didn't want to read it

2209
01:41:11,950 --> 01:41:07,400
either so it's only a small select few

2210
01:41:15,050 --> 01:41:11,960
who wanted to buy that book who believed

2211
01:41:18,470 --> 01:41:15,060
can I ask you a personal question you

2212
01:41:22,310 --> 01:41:18,480
you certainly made okay here you have

2213
01:41:24,590 --> 01:41:22,320
you got a PhD in plasma physics yes I do

2214
01:41:28,129 --> 01:41:24,600
you've got a ba in physics you've got a

2215
01:41:31,250 --> 01:41:28,139
mathematics minor I'll I'll tell you I

2216
01:41:32,930 --> 01:41:31,260
busted my ass to get that okay and you

2217
01:41:35,510 --> 01:41:32,940
know what you've got more letters after

2218
01:41:39,470 --> 01:41:35,520
your name than I do in my entire name

2219
01:41:42,609 --> 01:41:39,480
but but but what is important to this is

2220
01:41:46,990 --> 01:41:42,619
that when uh

2221
01:41:49,129 --> 01:41:47,000
in the in the Sciences

2222
01:41:52,510 --> 01:41:49,139
it's difficult

2223
01:41:54,430 --> 01:41:52,520
to bring up Consciousness God

2224
01:41:58,609 --> 01:41:54,440
spirituality

2225
01:42:01,550 --> 01:41:58,619
that it is in a general sense not all

2226
01:42:06,050 --> 01:42:01,560
because you're an example of this but

2227
01:42:09,350 --> 01:42:06,060
but atheist agnostic there's nothing to

2228
01:42:12,950 --> 01:42:09,360
see here uh Consciousness is physical

2229
01:42:15,649 --> 01:42:12,960
it's a chemical reaction and when you

2230
01:42:18,470 --> 01:42:15,659
die you just become a part of evolution

2231
01:42:21,169 --> 01:42:18,480
and you you drop into the soil and

2232
01:42:23,629 --> 01:42:21,179
there's nothing to speak that that and

2233
01:42:29,350 --> 01:42:23,639
I'm not making this up that I don't know

2234
01:42:37,490 --> 01:42:33,350
and and and and and and yet it seems to

2235
01:42:41,990 --> 01:42:37,500
me that uh uh you have a spiritual side

2236
01:42:45,350 --> 01:42:42,000
uh to you and you're the anomaly in in

2237
01:42:47,330 --> 01:42:45,360
science do you have to fight that or are

2238
01:42:50,870 --> 01:42:47,340
there others are there other physicists

2239
01:42:54,470 --> 01:42:50,880
out there well my face supervisor

2240
01:42:57,109 --> 01:42:54,480
my thesis advisor was Richard F post he

2241
01:43:00,590 --> 01:42:57,119
won who was associate director for

2242
01:43:02,810 --> 01:43:00,600
magnetic Fusion at Livermore lab you may

2243
01:43:04,609 --> 01:43:02,820
remember his daughter a very lovely

2244
01:43:06,229 --> 01:43:04,619
daughter Markie Post she was on Night

2245
01:43:09,590 --> 01:43:06,239
Court

2246
01:43:12,070 --> 01:43:09,600
yeah that was his daughter uh he was

2247
01:43:14,090 --> 01:43:12,080
very proud of her and he was a very

2248
01:43:16,550 --> 01:43:14,100
religious man

2249
01:43:19,669 --> 01:43:16,560
it didn't bother him at all that I was

2250
01:43:21,530 --> 01:43:19,679
raised in a but you know I I started out

2251
01:43:24,649 --> 01:43:21,540
being a Fundamentalist

2252
01:43:27,470 --> 01:43:24,659
uh you know because my parents were and

2253
01:43:30,410 --> 01:43:27,480
then when I as I got more education

2254
01:43:32,209 --> 01:43:30,420
I I became much more open-minded and so

2255
01:43:34,250 --> 01:43:32,219
I ended up being just an Episcopalian

2256
01:43:35,629 --> 01:43:34,260
which is I don't even know what the

2257
01:43:38,570 --> 01:43:35,639
differences are

2258
01:43:41,030 --> 01:43:38,580
oh wait well there's you know one end

2259
01:43:43,310 --> 01:43:41,040
there's a Baptist and the other end is

2260
01:43:44,090 --> 01:43:43,320
the episcopalians

2261
01:43:46,550 --> 01:43:44,100
um

2262
01:43:49,490 --> 01:43:46,560
uh it's a

2263
01:43:50,810 --> 01:43:49,500
you know there's a whole spectrum of you

2264
01:43:53,870 --> 01:43:50,820
know like

2265
01:43:55,790 --> 01:43:53,880
people in the Episcopalian Church

2266
01:43:58,070 --> 01:43:55,800
sure they believe in evolution you know

2267
01:44:00,050 --> 01:43:58,080
they they you know they they pray to God

2268
01:44:02,629 --> 01:44:00,060
every Sunday but they they believe in

2269
01:44:05,770 --> 01:44:02,639
evolution and Science and it's a rather

2270
01:44:10,430 --> 01:44:08,090
you don't believe that Earth is six

2271
01:44:13,330 --> 01:44:10,440
thousand years old and God put dinosaur

2272
01:44:16,669 --> 01:44:13,340
bones here to test us

2273
01:44:19,310 --> 01:44:16,679
no and I have gotten the big arguments

2274
01:44:22,310 --> 01:44:19,320
with people who said that I I had I knew

2275
01:44:24,470 --> 01:44:22,320
one guy who was a PhD physicist like me

2276
01:44:26,450 --> 01:44:24,480
and he was saying this stuff

2277
01:44:30,350 --> 01:44:26,460
and and

2278
01:44:32,149 --> 01:44:30,360
his name was uh Russell and I said

2279
01:44:34,850 --> 01:44:32,159
Russell

2280
01:44:37,510 --> 01:44:34,860
I have been out on a dark really dark

2281
01:44:43,189 --> 01:44:37,520
night with my father my father took us

2282
01:44:45,410 --> 01:44:43,199
boys out to look at the Andromeda Galaxy

2283
01:44:46,970 --> 01:44:45,420
up but we were up in the mountains away

2284
01:44:49,490 --> 01:44:46,980
from all the city lights you could

2285
01:44:52,250 --> 01:44:49,500
actually see the Andromeda galaxy with

2286
01:44:55,430 --> 01:44:52,260
your Naked Eyes it looked like a kind of

2287
01:44:58,970 --> 01:44:55,440
a foggy Cloud about the size of the Moon

2288
01:45:00,229 --> 01:44:58,980
and I said that's 200 million light

2289
01:45:02,750 --> 01:45:00,239
years away

2290
01:45:05,870 --> 01:45:02,760
that means

2291
01:45:07,970 --> 01:45:05,880
that has that we're seeing it as it was

2292
01:45:10,129 --> 01:45:07,980
200 million years ago the earth can't

2293
01:45:13,310 --> 01:45:10,139
the universe can't be six thousand years

2294
01:45:18,709 --> 01:45:13,320
old you know what he said to me he said

2295
01:45:18,719 --> 01:45:22,970
and I just no I

2296
01:45:29,090 --> 01:45:25,209
said okay you win

2297
01:45:31,310 --> 01:45:29,100
the end of the end of discussion yeah

2298
01:45:34,729 --> 01:45:31,320
some of these people

2299
01:45:39,109 --> 01:45:34,739
uh the idea that the universe is

2300
01:45:40,729 --> 01:45:39,119
incredibly old in ancient uh terms I

2301
01:45:43,910 --> 01:45:40,739
mean we imagine that the Big Bang

2302
01:45:46,189 --> 01:45:43,920
happened 13 billion years ago

2303
01:45:48,169 --> 01:45:46,199
and I still think that that's a pretty

2304
01:45:50,570 --> 01:45:48,179
decent physical model

2305
01:45:53,350 --> 01:45:50,580
uh and uh

2306
01:45:56,870 --> 01:45:53,360
so

2307
01:46:00,709 --> 01:45:56,880
let me stop you right there

2308
01:46:03,410 --> 01:46:00,719
I'm not sure that big bang happened

2309
01:46:08,209 --> 01:46:03,420
it may have been highly overrated you

2310
01:46:10,250 --> 01:46:08,219
know I'm not I'm not so sure maybe it

2311
01:46:14,149 --> 01:46:10,260
was a string of firecrackers rather than

2312
01:46:17,709 --> 01:46:14,159
one big uh I'm not so I'm not so sure

2313
01:46:22,070 --> 01:46:17,719
I'm not so sure and I you know you know

2314
01:46:23,510 --> 01:46:22,080
Jimmy you have every reason to doubt now

2315
01:46:26,030 --> 01:46:23,520
because

2316
01:46:27,770 --> 01:46:26,040
I I heard this one astronomer speak and

2317
01:46:29,810 --> 01:46:27,780
he said well ten years ago we understood

2318
01:46:32,930 --> 01:46:29,820
the universe pretty well now we don't

2319
01:46:36,590 --> 01:46:32,940
anymore yeah we don't we we clearly do

2320
01:46:38,870 --> 01:46:36,600
not all that dark energy dark matter you

2321
01:46:40,850 --> 01:46:38,880
know it doesn't make sense the the the

2322
01:46:43,250 --> 01:46:40,860
background radiation and the

2323
01:46:45,770 --> 01:46:43,260
measurements of that and Bell labs and

2324
01:46:49,189 --> 01:46:45,780
and how that was discovered that's all

2325
01:46:51,890 --> 01:46:49,199
fantastic it is fantastic and by the way

2326
01:46:55,149 --> 01:46:51,900
those are facts but the interpretation

2327
01:47:00,229 --> 01:46:55,159
of those facts is what is in question

2328
01:47:02,450 --> 01:47:00,239
because if you run if if you run uh

2329
01:47:04,790 --> 01:47:02,460
Brian Greene explains this really well

2330
01:47:07,669 --> 01:47:04,800
he says you run the numbers backwards

2331
01:47:09,530 --> 01:47:07,679
yes back 13 points I actually talked to

2332
01:47:12,350 --> 01:47:09,540
Brian Green by the way he's a great guy

2333
01:47:14,810 --> 01:47:12,360
he's a great guy he's very friendly but

2334
01:47:18,649 --> 01:47:14,820
then when he goes and then

2335
01:47:21,410 --> 01:47:18,659
the number when you get real then the

2336
01:47:24,770 --> 01:47:21,420
the numbers get wonky they don't make

2337
01:47:27,950 --> 01:47:24,780
sense anymore and and we

2338
01:47:33,070 --> 01:47:27,960
and and he's right about that because to

2339
01:47:37,310 --> 01:47:33,080
me they're forcing this to make sense

2340
01:47:41,209 --> 01:47:37,320
they are putting the equations to to to

2341
01:47:44,330 --> 01:47:41,219
to make a big bang to get back to

2342
01:47:47,149 --> 01:47:44,340
something from nothing and and pause the

2343
01:47:48,109 --> 01:47:47,159
big bang you know you know yeah I I used

2344
01:47:51,109 --> 01:47:48,119
to joke

2345
01:47:53,209 --> 01:47:51,119
that we'd finally found out what

2346
01:47:55,430 --> 01:47:53,219
happened just before the Big Bang and

2347
01:47:56,990 --> 01:47:55,440
people would then lean forward in their

2348
01:47:59,030 --> 01:47:57,000
chairs and I said

2349
01:48:02,209 --> 01:47:59,040
we have a recording

2350
01:48:04,129 --> 01:48:02,219
of a match being lit and a few starting

2351
01:48:06,410 --> 01:48:04,139
to burn and then laughter is somebody

2352
01:48:08,629 --> 01:48:06,420
running away from where the explosion is

2353
01:48:11,930 --> 01:48:08,639
going to be that's smart that makes more

2354
01:48:16,370 --> 01:48:14,450
God loves fireworks just like people do

2355
01:48:21,010 --> 01:48:16,380
yeah yeah yeah that makes more sense to

2356
01:48:23,810 --> 01:48:21,020
me the and the reason is that no matter

2357
01:48:26,930 --> 01:48:23,820
what a physicist an astrophysic

2358
01:48:29,570 --> 01:48:26,940
theoretical physicist an astronomer is

2359
01:48:32,510 --> 01:48:29,580
going to try to explain to me first off

2360
01:48:35,649 --> 01:48:32,520
they don't know we don't know they don't

2361
01:48:40,570 --> 01:48:35,659
they don't know but number two

2362
01:48:44,090 --> 01:48:40,580
what was there before are you saying

2363
01:48:47,689 --> 01:48:44,100
no time that there were no other stars

2364
01:48:52,629 --> 01:48:47,699
that there wasn't a a previous Universe

2365
01:48:54,310 --> 01:48:52,639
to this one and time is a long time

2366
01:48:57,890 --> 01:48:54,320
time

2367
01:49:01,310 --> 01:48:57,900
when infinite just keep talking Jimmy

2368
01:49:02,870 --> 01:49:01,320
everything you're saying is is actually

2369
01:49:06,229 --> 01:49:02,880
the best

2370
01:49:08,510 --> 01:49:06,239
the truth yeah all the throne into chaos

2371
01:49:12,830 --> 01:49:08,520
now nobody knows anything and nobody

2372
01:49:19,370 --> 01:49:12,840
knows anything and and and I I infinite

2373
01:49:25,450 --> 01:49:23,169
can always get bigger right yes it can

2374
01:49:28,010 --> 01:49:25,460
and so

2375
01:49:30,770 --> 01:49:28,020
13.8 billion years when we're talking

2376
01:49:33,050 --> 01:49:30,780
about infinite right give or take give

2377
01:49:35,810 --> 01:49:33,060
or take half a billion yeah give her

2378
01:49:37,990 --> 01:49:35,820
give or take a half an infinite right

2379
01:49:42,250 --> 01:49:38,000
okay right right

2380
01:49:46,250 --> 01:49:42,260
that this is all there ever was this

2381
01:49:49,689 --> 01:49:46,260
13.8 billion years and in the slice of

2382
01:49:53,510 --> 01:49:49,699
infinite no I I

2383
01:49:56,270 --> 01:49:53,520
the universe began when I was born well

2384
01:49:59,990 --> 01:49:56,280
what came before that

2385
01:50:03,410 --> 01:50:00,000
well some wine and candles yeah what's

2386
01:50:07,669 --> 01:50:03,420
but see that's the thing where

2387
01:50:09,709 --> 01:50:07,679
um uh we need to okay right now we have

2388
01:50:14,810 --> 01:50:09,719
BC

2389
01:50:19,189 --> 01:50:14,820
and a d right yes we do okay well so

2390
01:50:22,850 --> 01:50:19,199
there's 13.8 billion years allegedly

2391
01:50:25,970 --> 01:50:22,860
right that we have it we should have uh

2392
01:50:29,030 --> 01:50:25,980
before universe and after universe

2393
01:50:32,870 --> 01:50:29,040
right and and we need to go backwards in

2394
01:50:35,390 --> 01:50:32,880
time before there's no way that Sean

2395
01:50:39,109 --> 01:50:35,400
Carroll can look at me in the eyeballs

2396
01:50:41,770 --> 01:50:39,119
and say that time starts at 13.8 billion

2397
01:50:45,109 --> 01:50:41,780
years there was no time before that

2398
01:50:50,090 --> 01:50:45,119
BS I'm not buying that

2399
01:50:51,229 --> 01:50:50,100
I I'm I'm no no and they're

2400
01:50:54,350 --> 01:50:51,239
um there needs to be another

2401
01:50:57,350 --> 01:50:54,360
consideration and another set of

2402
01:51:00,890 --> 01:50:57,360
theories laid out that addresses this

2403
01:51:04,490 --> 01:51:00,900
you cannot convince me and continue the

2404
01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:04,500
dogma of there was nothing before 13.8

2405
01:51:09,590 --> 01:51:06,480
billion years ago there's something to

2406
01:51:13,550 --> 01:51:09,600
discuss I'm not buying that

2407
01:51:15,410 --> 01:51:13,560
one one person said asked he said asking

2408
01:51:17,990 --> 01:51:15,420
what came before the Big Bang was like

2409
01:51:20,270 --> 01:51:18,000
asking what's north of the North Pole he

2410
01:51:23,270 --> 01:51:20,280
says it's nonsense question

2411
01:51:26,209 --> 01:51:23,280
I'm sorry it seems like a perfectly

2412
01:51:28,729 --> 01:51:26,219
rational question to me

2413
01:51:31,370 --> 01:51:28,739
um and I can accept that you don't have

2414
01:51:33,830 --> 01:51:31,380
the answer I can accept that

2415
01:51:35,390 --> 01:51:33,840
we don't know what happened before the

2416
01:51:39,470 --> 01:51:35,400
Big Bang

2417
01:51:44,750 --> 01:51:39,480
or big bang even happened I mean that's

2418
01:51:46,910 --> 01:51:44,760
right yeah exactly and and okay now and

2419
01:51:48,709 --> 01:51:46,920
here's another problem that I have we

2420
01:51:52,910 --> 01:51:48,719
only have a few minutes left let me tell

2421
01:51:54,890 --> 01:51:52,920
you I I'm my plate of of I don't want I

2422
01:51:56,770 --> 01:51:54,900
don't like using bad words but I might

2423
01:52:01,430 --> 01:51:56,780
play to [\h__\h]

2424
01:52:02,689 --> 01:52:01,440
yeah yeah high on on the top of this is

2425
01:52:05,390 --> 01:52:02,699
that

2426
01:52:07,609 --> 01:52:05,400
um the explanation of the expansion of

2427
01:52:10,790 --> 01:52:07,619
the universe that everything is moving

2428
01:52:14,030 --> 01:52:10,800
away from everything else right there

2429
01:52:16,430 --> 01:52:14,040
there is an incentive it's the big bang

2430
01:52:20,649 --> 01:52:16,440
happened in the center then it seems to

2431
01:52:23,770 --> 01:52:20,659
me that there would be a center point of

2432
01:52:27,169 --> 01:52:23,780
origination and

2433
01:52:29,930 --> 01:52:27,179
no and and that's the way explosions

2434
01:52:32,209 --> 01:52:29,940
happen but they were so anyway how

2435
01:52:34,129 --> 01:52:32,219
people had been setting off nukes and

2436
01:52:36,109 --> 01:52:34,139
then they decided that the whole

2437
01:52:40,850 --> 01:52:36,119
universe began that way yeah yeah

2438
01:52:44,689 --> 01:52:40,860
exactly and now the the the I don't know

2439
01:52:48,229 --> 01:52:44,699
though that Andromeda is going to

2440
01:52:50,510 --> 01:52:48,239
intersect with the Milky Way and create

2441
01:52:53,570 --> 01:52:50,520
that's this that's this week they say

2442
01:52:56,090 --> 01:52:53,580
that yeah yeah how is that possible I

2443
01:52:59,270 --> 01:52:56,100
thought everything was expanding away

2444
01:53:02,570 --> 01:52:59,280
from each other so how is it possible

2445
01:53:06,050 --> 01:53:02,580
that we are expanding into that doesn't

2446
01:53:09,709 --> 01:53:06,060
make any sense either dark energy is

2447
01:53:13,370 --> 01:53:09,719
pushing everything away right or dark

2448
01:53:16,609 --> 01:53:13,380
energy is pushing the two so we have two

2449
01:53:19,430 --> 01:53:16,619
dark energies that are pushing and I

2450
01:53:22,970 --> 01:53:19,440
know something something isn't sitting

2451
01:53:23,689 --> 01:53:22,980
right with me on this I I tell people I

2452
01:53:26,030 --> 01:53:23,699
said

2453
01:53:29,209 --> 01:53:26,040
the universe seems to run on the same

2454
01:53:31,189 --> 01:53:29,219
principles as Washington DC what you see

2455
01:53:33,649 --> 01:53:31,199
is misleading

2456
01:53:35,930 --> 01:53:33,659
the things that make everything move you

2457
01:53:38,390 --> 01:53:35,940
can't see Garth the suppose a dark

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01:53:39,950 --> 01:53:38,400
matter and dark energies they call them

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01:53:43,510 --> 01:53:39,960
dark because they can't see what they

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01:53:47,090 --> 01:53:43,520
are right and you know it's

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01:53:51,770 --> 01:53:49,970
they don't know and their scientists

2462
01:53:54,350 --> 01:53:51,780
don't like to say that it's bad for

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01:53:56,149 --> 01:53:54,360
their grants if they're on record to

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01:53:57,770 --> 01:53:56,159
saying I don't know this or I don't know

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01:54:01,550 --> 01:53:57,780
that

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01:54:04,669 --> 01:54:01,560
um Avi talk to Avi about it ask how many

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01:54:06,950 --> 01:54:04,679
scientists he knows who like to who when

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01:54:10,010 --> 01:54:06,960
pressed or cornered would say I don't

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01:54:12,109 --> 01:54:10,020
know what happened before the Big Bang

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01:54:13,129 --> 01:54:12,119
and he'll he'll say they don't want to

2471
01:54:16,149 --> 01:54:13,139
say that

2472
01:54:19,189 --> 01:54:16,159
I have an autographed copy of his book

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01:54:21,290 --> 01:54:19,199
extraterrestrial and his autograph in

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01:54:22,990 --> 01:54:21,300
this it's it's private I'm not going to

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01:54:28,550 --> 01:54:23,000
say anything

2476
01:54:30,530 --> 01:54:28,560
but but I read that and I gotta say he's

2477
01:54:34,609 --> 01:54:30,540
got a certain amount of respect for me

2478
01:54:40,550 --> 01:54:36,250
um uh but

2479
01:54:45,109 --> 01:54:40,560
that book extraterrestrial took so much

2480
01:54:47,990 --> 01:54:45,119
NAD for him to write and did to put it

2481
01:54:51,590 --> 01:54:48,000
all on the table and to go against the

2482
01:54:54,109 --> 01:54:51,600
grain and stick to the data

2483
01:54:56,709 --> 01:54:54,119
um and stick to the interpretation of

2484
01:54:59,510 --> 01:54:56,719
that data and the fact that he sees it

2485
01:55:03,470 --> 01:54:59,520
uh it took a lot for him to write that

2486
01:55:05,990 --> 01:55:03,480
book and and I have to say he lays out a

2487
01:55:08,030 --> 01:55:06,000
pretty good case for all the stuff he

2488
01:55:10,370 --> 01:55:08,040
found on that one asteroid that came

2489
01:55:12,890 --> 01:55:10,380
flying or whatever it was that came

2490
01:55:16,550 --> 01:55:12,900
flying at us from the Sun ten times

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01:55:19,669 --> 01:55:16,560
longer than it was wide yes nothing in

2492
01:55:22,310 --> 01:55:19,679
nature looks like that nothing nothing

2493
01:55:25,669 --> 01:55:22,320
and It sped up after we

2494
01:55:28,850 --> 01:55:25,679
it came from The Blind Side on us and

2495
01:55:32,629 --> 01:55:28,860
then when it passed us we spotted it and

2496
01:55:33,770 --> 01:55:32,639
then It sped up in the solar system and

2497
01:55:34,570 --> 01:55:33,780
turned

2498
01:55:38,810 --> 01:55:34,580
yeah

2499
01:55:40,430 --> 01:55:38,820
It sped up and turned 275

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01:55:45,010 --> 01:55:40,440
000 miles per hour

2501
01:55:49,250 --> 01:55:45,020
you know it's it's uh it's uh it's just

2502
01:55:52,250 --> 01:55:49,260
Avi lobe so there you go listen

2503
01:55:54,530 --> 01:55:52,260
um I want to thank you uh uh thank you

2504
01:55:57,470 --> 01:55:54,540
for having me on your show no just a

2505
01:55:59,990 --> 01:55:57,480
pleasure honor yeah I I can't wait for

2506
01:56:03,109 --> 01:56:00,000
us to do this again

2507
01:56:04,910 --> 01:56:03,119
um I've got your Amazon links up uh so

2508
01:56:07,310 --> 01:56:04,920
they're over on our website they're in

2509
01:56:09,830 --> 01:56:07,320
the description box below and we've got

2510
01:56:13,370 --> 01:56:09,840
it up in social media everybody go check

2511
01:56:16,310 --> 01:56:13,380
out all of John's books and uh and send

2512
01:56:18,950 --> 01:56:16,320
me the link uh uh you sent me some stuff

2513
01:56:21,430 --> 01:56:18,960
I want to see the 30 minute video and

2514
01:56:23,930 --> 01:56:21,440
I'll put that is that okay

2515
01:56:27,229 --> 01:56:23,940
that's for people who don't like to read

2516
01:56:30,770 --> 01:56:27,239
long books uh but it

2517
01:56:36,109 --> 01:56:30,780
one you know who Hal putoff is right I

2518
01:56:38,209 --> 01:56:36,119
do yes he was he read my novel and

2519
01:56:40,430 --> 01:56:38,219
gave me an enormous compliment he's

2520
01:56:42,169 --> 01:56:40,440
russian-american he says This Is War and

2521
01:56:45,950 --> 01:56:42,179
Peace

2522
01:56:47,990 --> 01:56:45,960
and um Bruce Maccabee read it said this

2523
01:56:49,970 --> 01:56:48,000
is a magnum opus you know this is a

2524
01:56:52,430 --> 01:56:49,980
great great book

2525
01:56:54,830 --> 01:56:52,440
and apparently they told me it was

2526
01:56:59,930 --> 01:56:54,840
widely read at the intelligence agencies

2527
01:57:01,609 --> 01:56:59,940
and uh so that's all I can say is uh I

2528
01:57:04,010 --> 01:57:01,619
took what I heard

2529
01:57:05,570 --> 01:57:04,020
I tried to make it into a coherent

2530
01:57:09,350 --> 01:57:05,580
picture

2531
01:57:12,589 --> 01:57:09,360
and then I predicted it would all fall

2532
01:57:16,010 --> 01:57:12,599
apart and it is now it's all falling

2533
01:57:19,129 --> 01:57:16,020
apart well thank you for that John okay

2534
01:57:21,770 --> 01:57:19,139
Jimmy I'll talk to you soon my friend

2535
01:57:24,910 --> 01:57:21,780
we've got the links for for John on

2536
01:57:28,430 --> 01:57:24,920
Amazon below again social media

2537
01:57:30,350 --> 01:57:28,440
Prosper absolutely John behave and be

2538
01:57:31,790 --> 01:57:30,360
well my friend be safe out there thank

2539
01:57:35,450 --> 01:57:31,800
you

2540
01:57:41,810 --> 01:57:35,460
perfect show perfect perfect show thank

2541
01:57:44,570 --> 01:57:41,820
you so much and uh now again Amazon uh

2542
01:57:47,209 --> 01:57:44,580
the links for everything from John are

2543
01:57:50,149 --> 01:57:47,219
up in social media so I encourage

2544
01:57:52,669 --> 01:57:50,159
everybody to go and and check stuff out

2545
01:57:58,490 --> 01:57:52,679
tomorrow night what am I doing tomorrow

2546
01:58:04,790 --> 01:58:01,669
see you tomorrow night

2547
01:58:05,570 --> 01:58:04,800
oh man tomorrow night Justin bamforth is

2548
01:58:08,089 --> 01:58:05,580
here

2549
01:58:09,649 --> 01:58:08,099
oh wow yeah it's a big chill tomorrow

2550
01:58:12,109 --> 01:58:09,659
night so I'll see everybody tomorrow

2551
01:58:14,270 --> 01:58:12,119
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01:58:16,970 --> 01:58:14,280
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01:58:19,790 --> 01:58:16,980
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01:58:22,089 --> 01:58:19,800
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01:58:24,890 --> 01:58:22,099
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01:58:26,990 --> 01:58:24,900
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01:58:35,030 --> 01:58:32,699
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01:58:37,370 --> 01:58:35,040
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01:58:38,990 --> 01:58:37,380
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01:58:40,790 --> 01:58:39,000
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01:58:42,470 --> 01:58:40,800
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01:58:44,629 --> 01:58:42,480
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2565
01:58:48,890 --> 01:58:44,639
church until tomorrow night with Justin

2566
01:58:50,689 --> 01:58:48,900
Bamford I want you to be safe go back